‘Demons in the Dark’

« Return to Article

Discuss

Member Comments

  • Posted By: Brian_in_FL @ 01/19/2008 3:51:31 AM

    Weak article better suited for a tabloid than Newsweek. One major flaw is that the author doesn't apply critical thinking to most of the arguments. I.e., to argue that interstellar distances are an insurmountable barrier to travel across assumes that the traveler (UFO) is on a par with our nascent technology.

    To show you how far we've come in a single lifetime, there are people alive today who lived in a world where hot air balloons were the only method of flight. Now imagine a race of beings 1,000 lifetimes ahead of our technology... or better yet, a few million?

  • Posted By: LSD4u2 @ 01/18/2008 10:28:13 PM

    By any chance did anyone see Darth Vader ,aka: VP Dick Cheney, on this UFO? He hasn't been seen of recent you have to admit.

  • Posted By: tacitblue @ 01/18/2008 9:06:02 PM

    "Many UFO sightings come during a period of earthquakes, when shifts in the earth's plates alter the atmosphere's magnetic charges. So it's not surprising that people's brains could vividly experience what seems to be a UFO sighting or even an alien abduction."

    There is less fact in this statement than explaining it as aliens from another world... That's funny.

  • Posted By: tacitblue @ 01/18/2008 9:01:03 PM

    "Many UFO sightings come during a period of earthquakes, when shifts in the earth's plates alter the atmosphere's magnetic charges. So it's not surprising that people's brains could vividly experience what seems to be a UFO sighting or even an alien abduction."

    This statement has less evidence than aliens from another world visiting our planet... That's funny.

  • Posted By: BrainDragon @ 01/18/2008 7:04:03 PM

    I suppose you could apply the logic from the article to the alleged existence of God as well.
    There is an abundance of video evidence, mass sightings, etc. to suggest that UFOs are real, yet more people believe in God (no such proof) than they do UFOs.
    The tendency of the media is to treat most UFO stories as quirky, sometimes goofball events. Our government plays ignorant or remains aloof on the matter. There are explanations for both but in no way does that diminish the strong likelihood that we are not alone.

  • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 01/18/2008 6:27:29 PM

    Reading the comments here, the jury seems to have made up it's mind. This is a crap article! It's a shame, because the topic is extremely compelling. Perhaps, in the future, Newsweek could have a real journalist take a crack at it.

  • Posted By: bf438 @ 01/18/2008 6:22:01 PM

    My first reaction after having read this article was to step back in disbelief. Not about UFO's. About the journalistic education or qualifications of this person who has written this. Mr. Euchner displays such a level of bias that he violates science, journalism and social grace all at the same time. He dismisses not only the reports of these people, but every reported sighting in the history of mankind. What an arrogant ego! And please, Newsweek, how could you allow this kind of unprofessional reporting to be posted as fact?

  • Posted By: Frank@InvestorSolutions.com @ 01/18/2008 5:11:49 PM

    I was a UFO!
    Back in my pilot training days during the mid 60s at Moody AFB, GA, we had a great time with the T-37 playing UFO. The "Tweety Bird" as it was affectionally known could slow to about 70 miles an hour and emited a painfully high whistle from it's engine intakes. So, it was easy enough at night to fly over the interstates at just about the speed of traffic. A few lazy S turns, a couple of flashes of the landing lights, and a little cycling of the navagation lights got everybody's attention. Then when we peeled off to one side or another from the highway our apparent speed as we changed direction looked like "thousands of miles an hour". Back in the bar we all had a few good laughs and looked forward to the next morning's account of our otherworldly exploits in the local paper.
    Just good clean fun!
    We weren't the only source of UFO reports. The local college kids discovered that they could launch hot air baloons made of the plastic from their dry cleaning, a couple of peices of balsa, and a candle surrounded by colored translucent celephane. The bags floated at less than 100 feet, made no sound at all, and changed colors as they slowly rotated. Always good for a few colorful UFO reports in the morning paper.
    Frank Armstrong

    • Posted By: Bonhoeffer @ 01/18/2008 6:16:16 PM

      This certainly explains some UFO sightings. However, this one is certainly unique because of the multiple, independent witnesses, it's size (a mile by 1/2 mile), the close inspection (binoculars and telescopic site. This is more than just lights flashing in the dark and weird noises, although the AP video above does not capture this as well. There is another video and article put out by a local reporter and news station that covers this sighting much better. It's available at www.cnn.com.

    • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 01/18/2008 5:18:40 PM

      Now THAT is a plausible explanation! Simple, objective and reasonable. It makes much more sense than magnetic stimulation of the frontal lobe.

  • Posted By: John Harrington @ 01/18/2008 6:11:51 PM

    All I know is that what I saw with my parents in Oct., 1966 in rural NH had nothing to do with sleep deprivation or any other explanation I've heard for UFO sightings. Two very bright lights high in the clear night sky, changing colors from red, green, blue, yellow, and moving slowly in irregular patterns, up, down, sideways, zig zagging around. No sound at all. Then an arc of light going from one light to the other, at which point one of the lights just disappeared, while the other continued its zig zagging. We watched in awe for several minutes before the solitary light moved below the tree line in our back yard. Any explanations are welcome.

  • Posted By: freeyourmind @ 01/18/2008 6:09:30 PM

    I find it interesting that you take something like "magnetic brain stimulation" and consider it so much more plausible than other explinations. UFO's are a real phenomenon with many possible explinations. Undoubtedly, most of those possible explainations explain some amount of the sightings.

    But how about this: Ask a scientists how much we have really discovered about science, about the physical realities surrounding us. As an Engineer, I see scientific discoveries occure at a breakneak pace all the, with no sign of us being anywhere near a complete understanding of the universe. I'd say our model of the universe is less than 1% complete. So who are you to say that intergalactic travel is impossible? Thats like a cave man telling NASA that it's impossible to go to the Moon!

    On another note... what has intergalactic travel got to do with it anyway? Scientists are discovering hundreds of extrasolar planets within a few hunddren light years of our planet. Even if there is no way around Einstein's theories, sub light speed interstellar travel is still perfectly plausible. Our galaxy is about 80,000 light years across, so even at only half the speed of light the galaxy can be traversed in 160,000 years (some form of human has been on Earth for 3-5 million years, mind you).

    So please, take your biased, hand picked expert opinions, and anecdodal examples and offset them with expert opinions that contradict your first impression(there are plenty of those opinions out there), or at least exercise healthy skepticism that the most comfortable explination isn't necesarrily the correct one. Doesn't anyone understand how uncomfortable it made people feel when Darwin informed them that they had evolved from apes?

  • Posted By: freeyourmind @ 01/18/2008 6:09:07 PM

    I find it interesting that you take something like "magnetic brain stimulation" and consider it so much more plausible than other explinations. UFO's are a real phenomenon with many possible explinations. Undoubtedly, most of those possible explainations explain some amount of the sightings.

    But how about this: Ask a scientists how much we have really discovered about science, about the physical realities surrounding us. As an Engineer, I see scientific discoveries occure at a breakneak pace all the, with no sign of us being anywhere near a complete understanding of the universe. I'd say our model of the universe is less than 1% complete. So who are you to say that intergalactic travel is impossible? Thats like a cave man telling NASA that it's impossible to go to the Moon!

    On another note... what has intergalactic travel got to do with it anyway? Scientists are discovering hundreds of extrasolar planets within a few hunddren light years of our planet. Even if there is no way around Einstein's theories, sub light speed interstellar travel is still perfectly plausible. Our galaxy is about 80,000 light years across, so even at only half the speed of light the galaxy can be traversed in 160,000 years (some form of human has been on Earth for 3-5 million years, mind you).

    So please, take your biased, hand picked expert opinions, and anecdodal examples and offset them with expert opinions that contradict your first impression(there are plenty of those opinions out there), or at least exercise healthy skepticism that the most comfortable explination isn't necesarrily the correct one. Doesn't anyone understand how uncomfortable it made people feel when Darwin informed them that they had evolved from apes?

  • Posted By: dunnhaupt @ 01/18/2008 4:28:42 PM

    I find it fascinating that these supposedly intelligent visitors only visit dinky redneck towns and hamlets in the middle of nowhere. If they are so smart, why don't they come to nicer places like Boston or San Francisco where they would find art galleries and opera houses and people who actually read books?

    • Posted By: Spacer @ 01/18/2008 5:11:19 PM

      This article ignores 60 years of documented history, and so are you. Military and civilian pilots as well as police, scientists, and astronomers have often been UFO witnesses. Clyde Tombaugh, the discoverer of the planet Pluto, was among the astronomers who've seen them.

      This article is another sad example of what passes for "journalism" today. No research, just gullible acceptance of what some "scientists say" without bothering to do any research or investigation. If the author had done so, he would have easily been able to find other scientists, who actually investigated the UFO phenomenon and have come to very different conclusions than the predictable "conventional wisdom" regurgitated here.

    • Posted By: tonytrotter @ 01/18/2008 5:00:45 PM

      I'm not so sure that I would consider the Chicago O'Hare Airport, Denver, London, Moscow, Gulf Breeze, etc . . . etc., small rinky-dink reckneck towns. Maybe it's just the rednecks that don't know the difference?!?

    • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 01/18/2008 4:46:01 PM

      Your comment reveal your own bias. The fact is, UFO sighting happen in rural, suburban and yes metropolitan areas. Obviously you think anyone who sees an UNEXPLAINED phenomena is a fool and you therefore seek to minimize their credibility in order to make the phenomena fit your conclusion. You've got the cart before the horse.

      There is an extrordinary number of intelligent, sane, credible people who have seen UFOs. Keep in mind that they don't claim to see spaceships from Mars; they claim to have seen objects they could not identify. To assume that they are fools, nutjobs, idiots, etc. is a closeminded reaction to a mystery that threatens our understanding of the universe and our place in it. It's a typical response of someone who is threatened by their own insignificance in the grand scheme.

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 01/18/2008 4:36:28 PM

      because scientists live in Boston and San Fran. Everyone knows that UFOs appear in tiny towns where people arent smart to tell the difference between fireworks or airplanes.....im joking ofcourse. Consider the point that there is so much going on in big cities that people arent paying as much attention to the skies as people in small towns. Cities are more lit and you cant even see very much of the skyline at dark, compared to the openess of small towns in the middle of nowhere.

  • Posted By: Bonhoeffer @ 01/18/2008 4:55:39 PM

    The article seems to be very fair, on the level, and "scientific". However, it fails to deal with the actual facts of this particular UFO sighting. Note that i am referring to UFO as an "unidentified" object--what it actually was is anyone's guess.

    1. Fact: the UFO was independently spotted by more than 30 people--all of whom were in the same geographic location. Are we supposed to believe that they all were sleep deprived? Were they all having these magnetic "religious" experiences at once? Multiple independent attestations is one of the best ways to verify facts--why does this article not address this.

    2. Fact: The object was observed up close. One gentleman observed it through binoculars. Another saw it through a telescopic rifle sight. They were able to see that it was made of something metallic and had no bolts or seams.

    3. Fact: This object was observed by people who had never had these types of experiences before. Furthermore, their certainty of what they saw still stands firm. All of us have had experiences where we imagined something was there when it really wasn't. Usually, like the scientists in this article, we realize fairly quicklly that our minds are playing tricks on us. Why haven't these people had that same realization?

    4. Fact: The Airforce issued an obvious and absurd lie in light of this sighting claiming that these multiple, independent testimonies were all caused by several airliners coming into conjunction with the sun at just the right angle and "playing tricks" on the eyes--I don't think that would stand up in court. It certainly doesn't explain how upstanding citizens of Stephensville were able to see whether or not the UFO had bolts. Ususally when people tell silly lies, it means they have something to hide.

    Fact. 5: Many of us still believe in Angels, demons, ghosts, and other spiritual realities. Many of us find these evolutionary explanations (we used to have imaginations that came up with spirits--now our imaginations come up with UFOs) rediculous. Since when did science have anything to say about the existence of angels or demons? This is not science, but "scientism"--the believe that only "matter" exists. Please--exhibit the humility worthy of real "science"--treat the facts honestly and don't say more than you know.

    • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 01/18/2008 5:01:31 PM

      Right on Bonhoeffer. I'm confused as to how scientists can be so unaware of their own bias and assumptions. These otherwise intelligent people engage in willfull ignorance for what purpose? Why are they so threatened by the unknown that they abandon reason? Reason is the bedrock of science.

      Anyway. . .good post.

  • Posted By: Bonhoeffer @ 01/18/2008 4:54:14 PM

    The article seems to be very fair, on the level, and "scientific". However, it fails to deal with the actual facts of this particular UFO sighting. Note that i am referring to UFO as an "unidentified" object--what it actually was is anyone's guess.

    1. Fact: the UFO was independently spotted by more than 30 people--all of whom were in the same geographic location. Are we supposed to believe that they all were sleep deprived? Were they all having these magnetic "religious" experiences at once? Multiple independent attestations is one of the best ways to verify facts--why does this article not address this.

    2. Fact: The object was observed up close. One gentleman observed it through binoculars. Another saw it through a telescopic rifle sight. They were able to see that it was made of something metallic and had no bolts or seams.

    3. Fact: This object was observed by people who had never had these types of experiences before. Furthermore, their certainty of what they saw still stands firm. All of us have had experiences where we imagined something was there when it really wasn't. Usually, like the scientists in this article, we realize fairly quicklly that our minds are playing tricks on us. Why haven't these people had that same realization?

    4. Fact: The Airforce issued an obvious and absurd lie in light of this sighting claiming that these multiple, independent testimonies were all caused by several airliners coming into conjunction with the sun at just the right angle and "playing tricks" on the eyes--I don't think that would stand up in court. It certainly doesn't explain how upstanding citizens of Stephensville were able to see whether or not the UFO had bolts. Ususally when people tell silly lies, it means they have something to hide.

    Fact. 5: Many of us still believe in Angels, demons, ghosts, and other spiritual realities. Many of us find these evolutionary explanations (we used to have imaginations that came up with spirits--now our imaginations come up with UFOs) rediculous. Since when did science have anything to say about the existence of angels or demons? This is not science, but "scientism"--the believe that only "matter" exists. Please--exhibit the humility worthy of real "science"--treat the facts honestly and don't say more than you know.

    • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 01/18/2008 5:00:34 PM

      Right on Bonhoeffer. I'm confused as to how scientists can be so unaware of their own bias and assumptions. These otherwise intelligent people engage in willfull ignorance for what purpose? Why are they so threatened by the unknown that they abandon reason? Reason is the bedrock of science.

      Anyway. . .good post.

  • Posted By: tonytrotter @ 01/18/2008 4:51:05 PM

    Everything you have said is plausible. You know what else might explain their UFO sighting??? They may have seen a UFO.

  • Posted By: 777truthseeker @ 01/18/2008 4:49:10 PM

    This is the most obtuse thing I have ever read. Talk about sticking one's head in the sand (or posterior orifice)! There have been too many sightings of UFO's over the past 50+ years, and it is a phenomena that has been recorded throughout human history - but strangely began for the first time in US history immediately following the re-establishment of Israel as a Jewish state. Contrary to what you want to think, dunnhaupt and observer, there have in fact been many sightings over heavily populated areas. Google "Chicago O'Hare UFO" and "Jersey Lights UFO" for two examples. Idiots!

  • Posted By: Rob(NKY) @ 01/18/2008 4:26:04 PM

    While teleportation might be a tenous proposition, that does not preclude the possibility of interstellar flight, and I can't believe any serious scientist would claim as such as this article implies. We have the capability, today, to engage and have already engaged in spaceflight. The Voyager probes launched in 1977 have left our solar system. The only thing preventing them from entering another solar system is time and distance. Certainly, given the limitations of human biology, it might be difficult to imagine decades long manned spaceflight. But what law requires such missions be manned? Advanced AI would be all that is necessary. While its right to be naturally skeptical, such claims aren't worth dismissing. They may not be little green men, but they just might be little green robots.

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 01/18/2008 4:22:40 PM

    Scientists are not the end all of knowledge. How many times had they changed there views on various things, from black holes to when the oldest known human was. They like us normal people DONT know it all. They just go to there little meetings and debates and guess like the rest of us on unknown matters, and when MOST of them agree whats what then they put in science books and teach us what they think they know. Only to change it again in the future. Perfect example is Pluto. And for them to make like we average people are simpletons and cant tell the differance between thestars and the moon, from a big assed black moving mass with interchanging lights on it is just plain ignorance on there part. If THEY dont think its real , or have proof then its a mass delusional dream that all are in, but them.

  • Posted By: Rob(NKY) @ 01/18/2008 4:19:43 PM

    While matter teleportation may be a tenous proposition, there is nothing prohibiting actual interstellar flight. This capability exists today. The Voyager probes launched in 1977 have left our solar system, only time and distance prevents them from entering another. It may be difficult, given what we undertand about technology and human biology to envision manned space flight -- but who says supposed UFOs must be manned and not guided by some form of artificial intelligence that left its homeworld decades (or longer) ago?

  • Posted By: Bond 007 @ 01/18/2008 4:11:50 PM

    Have you seen a black hole? Black matter? but scientist said it is real, why can believe in UFO are we are so egocentric that we believe that we are the only one in this universe, as you say, the incredible technology required for inter-galactic space travel at the speed of light. Do they? maybe they are closer than you may believe.

Reply

Report Abuse

Enter comments if any for reporting abuse