The Democratic Divide

Wow, there is hope after all! I'm encouraged to read so many posts about people seeing through the dirty politics of the Clintons. I also consider myself a life long democrat but if Billary gets the nomination I will be voting REPUBLICAN come November!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The death toll for the Iraq war, which we did not need to fight, is grossly understated. Besides massive Iraqi deaths, it does not take into account the additional deaths of Americans who are being denied health care coverage because of the cost of the war in Iraq - expected to cost well over a trillion dollars before we are finished.

For example, with an estimated 45 million uninsured Americans and an estimated one trillion dollars, the money spent on the Iraq war would average $22,222 per person, enough to pay almost ten years of health coverage for every uninsured person.

The average mortality rate in the U.S. by 2007 estimates is 8.26 per 1,000 population, or 371,700 deaths per year for a population of 45 million. The Kaiser Commission report, published in 2006, estimates the death rate for uninsured could be reduced by 10-15%. (1)

???Research has consistently shown that the lack of insurance ultimately compromises persons??? health because they are less likely to receive preventive care, are more likely to be hospitalized for avoidable health problems, and are more likely to be diagnosed in the late stages of disease. Having insurance
improves health overall and could reduce mortality rates for the uninsured by 10 to 15%.???

That amounts to a reduction in premature deaths ranging from approximately 37,000 to 55,000 per year for the uninsured population. So, each year we are condemning to death, for lack of insurance, a population that approaches the deaths caused by the nuclear attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima that ended the war with Japan.

(1) http://www.illinoiscovered.com/assets/cover_7451.pdf

IT IS APPALLING AND PLAIN CATASTROPHIC TO DEMOCRATS' ONE BIG PROJECT IN NOVEMBER==
GET RID OF GEORGE BUSH AND THE GOP---THE FEUDING BETWEEN CLINTON'S AND OBAMA
IS SOMETHING ORCHESTRATED TO DEAL WITH RACISM WITHOUT DEALING WITH IT--TO MAKE
SURE ENOUGH WHITES ARE SURE BARAK WILL LOSE, SO WHITES GO FOR HILARY. NICE--AS FILTHY AS ANYTHING ROVE DREAMED UP; WE NEED BIG TIME APOLOGY AND RE-DO--OR I FOR ONE--NOT ALONE--WILL STAY HOME OR VOTE FOR THE RANDOM LIBERTARIANS. J MC CORMICK

I am a lifelong Democrat. I will not under any circumstances vote for Hillary Clinton. Enough is enough. She and Bill need to retire.....hopefully on Mars....and stay out of the way of real progress. Too many lies. The Clintons are destroying the Democratic Party.

For a brief time after the Iowa caucuses, there was so much hope, enthusiam, and fresh air. There were changes taking place. Barack Obama represented something that we had not encountered since the days of JFK. Young people, independents, people of color, minorities, - we werre all excited.

Then came the dirty politics of Hillary and Bill. Only one thing mattered to them - Destroy Barack Obama. Diirty politics is alive and well. Personally, I felt that we had enough of the tactics of Karl Rove and George W. Bush. Well Bill and Hillary think that the tactics of Karl and GW are wonderful and should emulated.

The Republicans offer nothing. I am an independent with leanings to the Democrats - especially in the social areas.

If the Democrats do indeed nominate Hillary, the Republicans will have been done a big favor. They will be united as never before.

I do not know where to turn. I cannot handlee any more of the Republicans in charge. Accepting dirty slimy partisan politicians like Bill and Hillary is hard to swallow. However, they may be the lessor of all evils.

Bill and Hillary are a big turn off of so much that was so positive. Many of the established Democrats feel that we should go along with Bill and Hillary.

I am so disgusted at Bill_Hillary Clinton that I wish they can be impeached right now.

Bill mouths off like that and Hillary uses Gender to earn female votes -- although Hillary, if it were not for Bill, would not be here, not even US Senator from New York --- I shall never vote for Clinton again in my life.

I will never vote for Hillary in NY again.

What a freaking disgusting couple. Piss me off like that, a life-long die hard democrat

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I am disgusted with Hillary Clinton. I voted for Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry. But I will not vote for Hillary. The only thing I dislike more than Republican policies is "swiftboat" attacks.

Maybe, as Bill says, they are just "having fun." Is this the fun part? Just how stupid does she think I am?

Odds are that John McCain would onlylast one term, and some of his positions are reasnonable. If Hillary wins the nomination, I'll vote for McCain, or boycott the election.

If enough people have the courage to believe that it is possible to have a new kind of politics, we will. I certainly believe we can do it.

I think it is entirely appropriate for a black candidate for President to share his perspective about problems that disproportionately impact african-americans. So why does Barack not speak out directly on the issue of the "black experience" in America? Why has he not used his wonderful rhetorical skills to create hope for upward mobility for the african-american underclass? I - like most lifetime democrats - believe that the issue of structural poverty among african-americans is a legitimate topic. It cries out to be addressed as levels of inner city unemployment and multi-generational family breakdown are at epidemic levels. If Barack Obama shared the experience of black america then it would seem natural for him to speak about this issue. The awkward truth is that Barack Obama's background does not reflect the black american experience. Abandoned by his african father at an early age, his upbringing was left primarily to his caucasian feminist iconoclast mother. Then as he approached adolescence his mother sent him to live and be raised by his caucasian grandparents in Hawaii where he attended an elite private school... then to Columbia ... then Harvard Law. So where does Barack get off passing as a "Black American", using black dialect in the neighborhood, suggesting that he shares the experience of average folks - either black, brown or white? Perhaps we democrats are about to get short changed in this deal. Could we be about to elect as our first "black" President someone who has not a clue about how to reach down to the underclass for a hand up?

I can tell you that myself, some friends and family have gotten turned off by the Clinton's behaviour to do anything to win and will not vote for her if she gets the Democratic nomimnee. Their behavior and distortions like at Meet the Press in which Hilalry said: "Sen. Obama's chief strategist accuses me of playing a role in Benazir Bhutto's assassination.'' When in actuality David Axelrod never made such an accusation. He said former Prime Minister Bhutto's death will ''call into issue the judgment'' of ''taking the eye off the ball and making the wrong judgment in going into Iraq.'' and their recent attempt in voter suppresion in Nevada has shown a lot of people another side to them we did not know existed and it does not look pretty. In their quest for power at all costs, they have split the party -- there is a deep divide.

They seem more like Karl-Rove Republicans than Democrats it is a shame to see their moral demise!

I have been a democrat all my life and was a delegate to the 1992 convention in new york ,but if hillary clinton gets the nomination i will actively campaign and vote for whoever the republican nominee is. How can antbody believe anything a disbarred president says? He lied to his wife, he lied to the country and he lied in court. Now he is llies about Sen.Obama.This couple has no shame and no credibility . Karl Rove must be licking his chops.And this time he won't have to rely on people like the swiftboaters. All he has to due is just keep repeating the truth about the clintons over and over again.I never thought i would be allied with the likes of Karl Rove.Then again, I never thought that the clintons would have the audacity to try and get back into the white house.

The democrats should be worried.I

Hillary may seem a stable democrat that can provide some form of stability to the American psyche. However the American president is the most powerful person in the world. Hillary is abit old to sarry that mantle and represents the past. Barrack Obama is a fresh face that would make America mare appealing to the rest of the world. He being President will make a bold statement that Americans want to connect with the world. He would instill in Washington what Tiger Woods did to Golf.

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I am an African following closely the democrat???s nomination exercise from here. One thing I have observed in this bog is that the Clinton supporters seem desperate, and are resorting to slandering, name calling obscene language use against Barak Obama etc without telling any body anything good about their candidate H Clinton other than that she is experienced. When Bill Clinton himself became President the first time was he experienced? We are tired of poor dirty politics such as are common in Africa and would have loved to learn a few good things from the Americans. Alas it is all the same with the Clinton supporters outdoing Africans in dirty politics. What a disgusting thing to say the least. Can you please raise standards?

JUST IN:

BAD NEWS FOR HILLARY'S "ELECTABILITY" ARGUMENT

(or "YOUR SLIP IS SHOWING")

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/01/blacks.html

New poll: U.S. more ready for black prez than female one
A new poll just out from CNN/Opinion Research tied to Martin Luther King Day today finds blacks and whites optimistic and pretty much in agreement -- 84% whites, 78% blacks -- that a lot or moderate progress has been made toward the civil rights leader's dream of equality in American society.

But hidden near the bottom of the survey of nearly 1,400 adult Americans Jan. 14-17 is some disturbing news for Sen. Hillary Clinton heading into tonight's Democratic debate in South Carolina and the party's primary there Saturday. ...


Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen

Why do so many American's think that only two families are capable of running this country?

I appreciate both sides, but I feel strongly we have a serious mess on her hands as a country, thanks to Bush Inc. I think to roll the dice with someone like Obama, or Huckabbe or Romney for example, would be left to better more simple times. We as a country need a Chief Executive with as much real-life experience with the good, bad and ugly aspect of being under an intense microscope. As good an orator as Obama is--he is no MLK and no JFK or RFK. There are probably thousands of great orators in the black community, some in government that could rival Obama's gift as public speaking and speaking in broad generalities. "Yes we can" is not quite "I have a dream" in aparteid American times of real prejudice, real murder, real 2nd class citizenship, spoken by a man that was unnjustly, jailed, lived the suffering, understood that his life was at real risk, sacrificied everything. "Yes we can" is hardly as powerful call to Americans to be in charge as JFK's, "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country..." So I am of the opinion, that many Americans currently enamored with Obama's podium delivery of high general themes, will come down to earth once the almost invisible "journalism" places Obama's life and experience and "qualification" under the same microscope it has placed the Clintons under.

I appreciate both sides, but I feel strongly we have a serious mess on her hands as a country, thanks to Bush Inc. I think to roll the dice with someone like Obama, or Huckabbe or Romney for example, would be left to better more simple times. We as a country need a Chief Executive with as much real-life experience with the good, bad and ugly aspect of being under an intense microscope. As good an orator as Obama is--he is no MLK and no JFK or RFK. There are probably thousands of great orators in the black community, some in government that could rival Obama's gift as public speaking and speaking in broad generalities. "Yes we can" is not quite "I have a dream" in aparteid American times of real prejudice, real murder, real 2nd class citizenship, spoken by a man that was unnjustly, jailed, lived the suffering, understood that his life was at real risk, sacrificied everything. "Yes we can" is hardly as powerful call to Americans to be in charge as JFK's, "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country..." So I am of the opinion, that many Americans currently enamored with Obama's podium delivery of high general themes, will come down to earth once the almost invisible "journalism" places Obama's life and experience and "qualification" under the same microscope it has placed the Clintons under.