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  • Posted By: Roameo @ 01/19/2008 7:36:06 PM

    Clift is far too kind in her description of Hillary's Lyndon Johnson remark. A sexist bias Clift can't help but surrender to? Perhaps. What Hillary said was this: "Dr King???s dream began to be realised when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964." Hillary was showing her racist anger more than cooly playing any race card. If she goes on to win, we can trace the turning tide to that moment when she spurred the racists to rally behind her. What surprises me is that no member of the media has yet asked her if she thinks the national holiday created for King was created for the wrong man. Should we have two national holidays, one for Johnson, too? Most amazing is no one observing that Clinton's remark was inaccurate. The House of Representatives and the Senate passed the federal legislation, as is always the case, not Lyndon Johnson. Sure, he may have lobbied for it and he certainly signed it into law, but he didn't pass it. Her remark shows the obnoxious, arrogant thinking of the would-be "benign" tyrant. It's typical of Caucasian pigmentocrats and certainly characteristic of Clinton, who showed us other examples of this pseudo-aristocratic attitude in her arrogant statement that she has so many opportunities for America and her repugnant Christmas commercial that implies she's giving us gifts of preschool, et cetera. We're paying for those so-called gifts and she can't give much of anything but her condescension without the vital work of Congress. Besides the Hill-Bill-y racism, no one should vote for Hillary who stands with our forefathers against pseudo-royal dynasties (e.g., Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton). She already has the dangerously arrogant attitude; we should not add presidential powers to it, as we mistakenly have to that malignancy in our democracy, King George.

  • Posted By: Robert Randle @ 01/19/2008 7:28:57 PM

    After rebounding from a surprising New Hampshire Primary victory, Hillary???s remark that the Civil Rights legislation passed by President Lyndon Johnson was the culmination of the work started by Martin Luther King jr. certainly has caused some in the African-American community to take a second look at the relationship between themselves and the Clinton???s.

    Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise because the Democratic Party in particular has taken its relationship with the Black community for granted. Bill Clinton likes to talk about the fact that more African-Americans served in his administration that at any previous period in this nation???s history. That may be so, but did any Blacks have high ranking positions or Cabinet jobs while he was President? Of course there were two notable highly visible friends; like Civil Rights Attorney Vernon Jordan and Hillary???s personal Secretary, Betty Curry. Funny thing though; when the Monica Lewinsky scandal came to the forefront, these two seemingly close Black friends of the Clinton???s all but disappeared from public view.

    After Bill Clinton left the White House he took up residence in upscale Harlem, NY, and his celebrity presence in the neighborhood drove up the price of not only real estate but the price of chitlins, too. The highlight of then President Bill Clinton???s term in office was to appoint an African-American female, Lani Guinier as Assistant Attorney General of Civil Rights. Since the Senate Judiciary Committee was controlled by a Republican majority, he knew this was just a ploy doomed to fail from the start; but at least he could gain political capital with the Black electorate by saying that he tried but that the [hated] Republicans derailed the nomination.

    The Clinton???s do indeed have clout with a few African-Americans with deep pockets like Robert Johnson, founder of BET who in recent days has inanely criticized Sen. Barack Obama with trying to undermine the Clinton ???I???m One of You,??? adoption by African-Americans; vicariously achieved through some self-appointed leaders in the community. Well, one thing Hillary has going in her favor is learning from the Master; hubby Bill Clinton; ???I did not have sex with that woman . . . it depends on what the meaning of the word, ???is??? is sounds very much like; ???I didn???t say that MLK wasn???t a significant figure [he was only a ???symbol???; Hillary???s favorite word] toward advancing Civil Rights in this country but he didn???t pass legislation to make it a law; either.??? If this isn???t true ???CLINTONESE??? at its very best, then a clearer example doesn???t exist.

    Robert Randle

  • Posted By: Robert Randle @ 01/19/2008 7:23:37 PM

    After rebounding from a surprising New Hampshire Primary victory, Hillary???s remark that the Civil Rights legislation passed by President Lyndon Johnson was the culmination of the work started by Martin Luther King jr. certainly has caused some in the African-American community to take a second look at the relationship between themselves and the Clinton???s.

    Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise because the Democratic Party in particular has taken its relationship with the Black community for granted. Former President Bill Clinton likes to talk about the fact that more African-Americans served in his administration that at any previous period in this nation???s history. That may be so, but did any Blacks have high ranking positions or Cabinet jobs while he was President? Of course there were two notable highly visible friends; like Civil Rights Attorney Vernon Jordan and Hillary???s personal Secretary, Betty Curry. Funny thing though; when the Monica Lewinsky scandal came to the forefront, these two seemingly close Black friends of the Clinton???s all but disappeared from public view.

    Bill Clinton left the White House he took up residence in upscale Harlem, NY, and his celebrity presence in the neighborhood drove up the price of not only real estate but the price of chitlins, too. The highlight of then President Bill Clinton???s term in office was to appoint an African-American female, Lani Guinier as Assistant Attorney General of Civil Rights. Since the Senate Judiciary Committee was controlled by a Republican majority, then President Clinton knew this was just a ploy doomed to fail from the start; but at least he could gain political capital with the Black electorate by saying that he tried but that the [hated] Republicans derailed the nomination.

    The Clinton???s do indeed have clout with a few African-Americans with deep pockets like Robert Johnson, founder of BET who in recent days has inanely criticized Sen. Barack Obama with trying to undermine the Clinton ???I???m One of You,??? adoption by African-Americans; vicariously achieved through some self-appointed leaders in the community. Well, one thing Hillary has going in her favor is learning from the Master; hubby Bill Clinton; ???I did not have sex with that woman . . . it depends on what the meaning of the word, ???is??? is sounds very much like; ???I didn???t say that MLK wasn???t a significant figure [he was only a ???symbol???; Hillary???s favorite word] toward advancing Civil Rights in this country but he didn???t pass legislation to make it a law; either.??? If this isn???t true ???CLINTONESE??? at its very best, then a clearer example doesn???t exist.

    Robert Randle

  • Posted By: healthcareisaright @ 01/19/2008 2:53:30 PM

    this point of bill being any sort of way over everything proves noone has gone back and interviewed the ones bill didn;t inhale with,,, not to mention the ones he didn't do cocaine with. a dr. i ran across told me stories of walk in on bill "with a face full of cocaine" at a football game while he was governer of ar. it can't be that hard to find others willing to talk. someone should look back so the american people can tell hillery and bill to stuff it.

    • Posted By: cbryan @ 01/19/2008 7:18:57 PM

      I am an Arkansan and I do not believe you for one minute. Second hand stories are like the game of
      gossip, unreliable and unbelievable. We had years and years of that already, so what's the good of rehashing it. There are issues aplenty, without personal persecution or jumping down each others
      throats over simple words and disagreements that matter little.
      Did anyone ever hear of the Golden Rule in this modern age? The candidates and the public need a
      good application of it.

  • Posted By: gwhitt @ 01/19/2008 7:12:53 PM

    One more thing;...
    A small community center that helps women and children in a particular state may be a good thing but, how does this benefit these type situations all over the country? One major question society should ALSO ask themselves is, which candidate demonstrates they have the ability to bring forth substantiative change? Is that candidate also effective? There are legitimate and credible resources that people can refer to that will provide them with this information. And again, you may be suprised to know WHO out of all the candidates have been able to show that they can get substantial changes done that TRULY affects not just one corner of the United States, but have beneficial effects on EVERYONE!! Just do your homework people!

  • Posted By: gwhitt @ 01/19/2008 7:07:24 PM

    What I find most amazing is the ongoing "experience" factor. Hillary said Obama doesn't have the experience. Did anyone question Hillary or Bill, how do THEY know what experience Obama has or doesn't and, can they come up with facts that confirm their claim? If not, just because she is using it as a strategic tactic to udermind Obama doesn't mean that Obama DOESN'T have experience. I watched an interview with Obama and he was asked to respond to some of these accusations. Basically, he said that he is relying on the competence of the American public to wiser or smarter than that! I can't agree with him more! As he has explained himself in debates and provide tons of information on his website about himself and detailed information about his "changes," are you, the american public listening? Or, are you just listening to the brainwashing attempt of Hilary to get YOU systematically stuck on the word "change?" I don't see where Obama himself ONLY speaks the word change and he was the first candidate to spoke of being THE candidate for change! I do apologize but, I read the blogs and people constantly are saying, Obama has no experience or, Obama is not explaining change... YES HE HAS! And sometimes he is repeating himself over and over again! Why don't you people stop getting yourselves involved with the gossip, get the haunted words and readings from the media OUT of your heads, check your local listings or the candidates websites for interviews or debate times and dates and make it your PLAN to sit down, clean your ears and PAY ATTENTION TO THE CANDIDATE rather than the gossip. THEN and only then you may be able to account for hearing what HE as well as ALL of the candidates has to say!

  • Posted By: Duck Soup @ 01/19/2008 7:05:22 PM

    Clinton can't pull the party, much more the Nation, together. No unity, no change. Her Presidency would be a failure.

    What does Clinton's outrageous robocall in Nevada say about her? It is not just an isolated incident.

    Would love to hear your POV and hear your vote in who will bring more change to America - Clinton or Obama, at this link: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/19/181938/426/674/439681

  • Posted By: gwhitt @ 01/19/2008 6:52:50 PM

    To the Author, Eleanor Clift:
    Wonderful observation and excellent article Eleanor. There is one question I have for you; where is t he Clinton loyalty and honesty? Hillary COULD have said something but the message she is sending to many of us that DID like her is that she is ONLY concerned about the Presidency and it doesn't matter what wrong words hurt what candidate as long as the words are in favor of Hillary.

    Now lets look at this in reverse; had that been Obama, Edwards or any other Democrat, would they have allowed this sort of slander to take place without saying something? So far that hasn't been the case! Then why is Hillary ONLY in favor of sitatuions that are to her advantage? That makes the entire Democratic party look bad! I supported Bill in both terms and I would almost swear that Hillary would be a fine president. After seeing the selfish demeanor, how easily she hops on media infringement of a fellow democrat candidate tells me that she cannot be trusted as President! Where is her sense of dedication, commitment, honesty and most important, loyalty? She is ONLY looking out for herself and in such selfish manner! This sort of managment have ruined some of our BEST businesses in our industry and has never proven to be effective as the chief commander.

    I don't think being a woman is the problem; Hillary is being so selfishly controlled by the greed and desire for power that she would be willing to alienate her own kind! It's like being a modern day Bennedict Arnold! And again, as history has perfectly shown us, NOTHING good has EVER come of this sort of leadership! As blind as the American public will be, they never get over the "little things" to see this until they make the grave mistake of putting the wrong people in power. Then when they have to pay the dues of major suffering, they want to blame others! I think America is ready for change; be it a black man for president or a woman for president; however, I think America needs to take a good look at the foundation and moral occupation of the candidate in order to make the right choice. Hillary came out of Iowa in nearly a state of Shock and Awe (Rummy's words) that Obama won Iowa. Why? Because he is a minority and Iowa is only 2% black? In todays time, Hillary should have known better; we are in a new age! That is concievably possible today! The way to bounce back is to start demeaning, belittling or patronizing your fellow candidates? And to be more direct, Edwards AND Obama came out ahead of Hillary in Iowa; why didn't she have a bone to pick with Edwards as much as she seemed to REALLY want to "linch" Obama? And people say it isn't about color!! From where I sit, I think the women (and men) need to consider a more viable, loyal, moral and honest female candidate for the presidency; I don't think Hillary is it.

  • Posted By: gwhitt @ 01/19/2008 6:32:56 PM

    As a managment Major, I must go with Barack Obama on this one. How we should be concerned about the cosmetics of things depends on the importance of the managerial position. For example, there "working managers" which have a mid-range of interactive responsibilities with their staff but also have so much administrative responsibilities that would warrant them to have "clean desks." But then, when we consider the position of the president or CEO of a company, they are NOT normally "working managers." Instead, most delegate! What American President haven't in the history of the President? Ones capability to run the presidency should NOT be termed on this factor because, an effective President cannot be justified by a clean desk either and should not be considered sufficient experience.

    A worthy President knows how to make use of the resources that are to his/her disposal (people, systems or otherwise) to govern the office in the systematic or routine sense or, to use these resources to delegate "change." From my professional point of view and evaluation between the front running candidates and as a Masters in Global business management, Hillary lacks the appropriate vision and managerial skills for the head and cheif executor of the United States; the American President. Why? ALL of the necessary resources are made available to the President be it people, systems, etc that takes care of a "clean desk" which makes time appointed to a "clean desk" irrelevant. I would assume when the occupation of the Presidency was being considered, our forefathers must have thought that small issues such as physical organization is too unimportant to occupy the interest of the chief commander hence, providing that individual with appropriate resources to address the "small stuff" while the president reserves his power, energy and thoughts making "world changing" decisions..

  • Posted By: Bill Walsh @ 01/19/2008 6:27:00 PM

    How interesting is Eleanor Clift's use of the word "denigrating" as in Clinton denigrating Obama's candidacy. The word means to blacken. I will vote against either Clinton or Obama on the basis of their politics, without the least care about their race or sex. I will also enjoy watching the liberals tie themselves up into knots as they look for politically correct ways to destroy each other.

  • Posted By: NOTFORCLINTON @ 01/19/2008 5:40:12 AM

    I, as an African-American, am very proud of the people of Iowa and many of the people in New Hampshire who dont see race as the first issue of the campaign. When I am in communication with my foreign counterparts I heap praise on my lovely new America. It is refreshing news all around the world. Particularly, at a time when so much disappointing news seems to be the norm. This race issue in the democratic campaign has nothing to do you great folks and people like you.

    However, it is very clear that it is the Clintons who are a force that is blocking real change for which the Party was created and that American needs. I don't suggest that Obama get the nomination based on race. My people are not foolish but rather that it is sinisterly odd how the Clintons can categorize him as not fit to be president. It is shameful how African-Americans have adored the Party, the Clintons in particular, and yet be mistreated by them at this critical moment.

    No group, in terms of votes, can boast the support that we have given to the party and yet the Clintons have shown no loyalty or respect to a viable man we put forth to benefit, not blacks, but America. Rather than the Clintons being reflective of the relationship between black America-themselves-and the party, they go on a rampage to soil a chance for a real change within our party and within our world. Greed, trickery, race-baiting, gender-baiting, croc tears, document-sealing and insinserity are all on the table for the Clintons. That is all we got for our loyalty and I now seriously dislike them.

    Obama is a good man who can take us away from the shoot-from-the-hip foreign policy non-sense that keeps America from beautifying itself and the world. For personal interests the Clintons want to soil our gift to change. I will never forgive the Clintons. She will not carry my support or the support of many of my demographic even if she won the nomination and tried to offer Obama the V.P. position. Now we see the Clintons for who they really are.

    This race issue is real, but it is not about America this time. It is about those greedy Clintons, already living the great American dream, but coming back for more and more. Why can't others live the dream? How is this change? How does she respresent change? She is nothing more than a cross between George Bush and Margaret Thatcher. That is not change. That is not the Democratic party and that is nothing more than shame.

    • Posted By: stevelley @ 01/19/2008 6:26:01 PM

      So you are saying that anybody going against Obama must be a racist because he is Black and you are also Black? This is exactly what Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and even Whites want to eliminate forever from all walks of society. We must focus only on competence, not appearance.

  • Posted By: Runningbug @ 01/19/2008 6:17:09 PM

    Hillary supporters are constantly boasting about her "experience". What exactly is her "experience" edge over Obama and Edwards, beyond being a former first lady? If that's it, you folks are in trouble!

  • Posted By: vietnamvet2 @ 01/19/2008 5:31:33 AM

    Obama is not islamic! Obama is from kenya and kenya is not an islamic country people here need to get their facts straight. On the other hand clinton has used funds in her compaign given to her from islamic leaders.

    Sence you dont like Obama just say so you dont have to make up lies. There is not one source that links Obama to islam. Remember Obama dad was from kenya and his mom from kansas he was raised premarily by his mom and he did go and graduated with honors from harvard. Harvard does a thourough back ground check on everyone because their school rep is on the line and if someone with islamic ties in the background then they are not admitted intrance.

    Clintons are a deceiving couple who will do and say anything to get your vote. Too bad Obama does not read these messages because he would have access to look up anybodies username and file a law suite against anyone who is saying he is an islamic. People that make these statement dont realize this is defamation of character and one is liable for what he posts when he has no facts to back it up.

    The government has programs that can do reverse searchs using a user ID. By me saying clinton is a racist is a fact and it has been talk about in the media so Im not making this up. Those of you who say Obama is an islamic is making this up because this has not been in the media.

    • Posted By: stevelley @ 01/19/2008 6:03:09 PM

      If you are a true Democrat, you have not demonstrated your capability to surmount the biases and discriminations that your party goes against. I am not a Muslim. But what is so wrong about being a Muslim? It is only when you are a fanatic and you believe in using violence to change the status quo that turn us Americans into your enemy, even if you are a fellow American.
      Your summary judgment on Clinton that she is a racist is based purely on one of her many campaign talks. It is not like labeling Blacks with horrible names or stereotyping them as a race with a certain level of competence. You need to get over a silly campaign talk and look at the broader picture of what track records that the Clintons have made. Don't you realize that the Republicans hate them so much and instituted impeachment over something that could easily have been grossed over partly because of their civil rights records? The Black female legal counsel representing Clinton who spoke decisively at the final impeachment proceedings focused only on one thing: his civil rights records. She won, and Clinton also won.
      Yes, we may use the race card. But it has to be done at the right moment, not every time when we want to win even at the cost of truth and fairness.

  • Posted By: jee @ 01/19/2008 4:45:57 AM

    I have been a democrat all my life. I am 72 years old. if Obana wins, I will become a republican. if Clinton wins, I will vote a straight democrat ticket, simple as that.

    • Posted By: stevelley @ 01/19/2008 5:37:15 PM

      Interesting, as a life-long Democrat, I did entertain the same thoughts. The reason is I do not want this country to be swayed to the far left, wherein most people just see welfare and govt handouts as the norm. I prospered economically during the Clinton years. A competent moderate Democrat, not the class warfare of Edwards or the thin resume of Obama, is what I look for.

  • Posted By: ernieford @ 01/19/2008 4:01:47 AM

    The public outrage reveals more about ourselves than it does about these two candidates....America is not going to get over its age old prejudices overnight, and certainly not now. If anything, these two candidates have shown us that we are not ready for either one of them, because we can't rise above these two issues, blacks and women. We pride ourselves as a nation as being able to transcend these things, and yet we seem to be one of the few nations on earth that have not had anything other than a white male president. It seems like we still have a very long way to go.....sigh.....

    • Posted By: stevelley @ 01/19/2008 5:29:28 PM

      You are absolutely right. I am a guy but I have worked with and for a lot of smart women. Bias against women is plain mind boggling. For those who are chauvinistic, so your wife and your mother and grandmother have to be bad and worthless persons, right? If so, next time marry a guy or tell the world that you were born of a rock.

  • Posted By: healthcareisaright @ 01/19/2008 5:20:51 PM

    i miss barbara jordon,,, she would have been the perfect choice; handicapped, black woman who was mindfull her whole life as to what america needs. there, my fellows, was a great person. as the father in the movie "walk hard" kept saying;"the wrong child died". how we could use you now barbara jordon. with a heart as big as all outdoors the world could feel the love we as a nation now hide and hold tight.

  • Posted By: takebackusa2008 @ 01/19/2008 4:50:39 PM

    For the Democrats, it is a time to make history. Yes, possibly the first woman President or possibly the first black President; but that is not all. We have a lackluster President now who only knows how to spend money and cut taxes leaving the country in a mess. And there is the Iraq War - Bush spends Billions and Billions of our dollars year after year and they (the Iraqi politicians) are at war with each other. Meanwhile, we can't seem to get the government to take care of the troops in Walter Read hospital and sons and daughters and mothers and fathers are dying - for what?

    The history the Dems will make will be the first Revolution of the 21st Century - taking back the government from a small group of men at the top who spent this country into bankruptcy while people who vote are losing their homes to foreclosure. Let the Revolution begin - take back this country - We The People!

  • Posted By: troy2080 @ 01/19/2008 4:44:59 PM

    poor suzann em, and others. No I am not a racist, idiot or bigot. Obviously you are very ignorant of history. Some day when you and others have matured and gotten at least a little educated you will see things much differently. For now go with your no knowledge but plenty of charisma candidate. Give the elction to the Republicans for another eight years. Hilliary could do wonders though. Do you really believe educated people are going to vote for B. Hussein O?

  • Posted By: ajfinch7 @ 01/19/2008 4:30:36 PM

    I am tired of the criticism of Hillary and voices that claim that no one has the right to criticize Obama. Obama has no experience...electing him will give us another GW Bush, a nice guy, but not someone who can lead. All candidates should be analyzed and criticized for shortcomings, that is what an election is all about.

    • Posted By: blkjazz @ 01/19/2008 4:44:01 PM

      Hillary's (and Bill's) lies about what Obama ACTUALLY said regarding Reagan did it for me. I cannot see myself voting for Hillary under any circumstances. I'd rather vote for one of the minor folks and let the country have another 4 fours of Bushism. Maybe then we will wake up and see that you cannot get fundamental change in this country by playing the same old tired games.

  • Posted By: healthcareisaright @ 01/19/2008 4:27:29 PM

    there is a difference between a great communicator and someone who runs off at the mouth so only their side can get any air time. nixon put the time and effort into his achivements which far out shine anything bill or hillary could ever hope for,,, bill showed up for the party and partied for the next eight years. his wife screwing the country now is the only way back for him and her to pardon all those left in his "party wake". i'll never forget him drunk and pounding the table at a fund raiser tell all there he wanted to do nothing but "tax and spend, tax and spend and tax and spend.

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