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IRAQ

The Great Moqtada Makeover

American commanders hope they can turn Sadr's Shiite supporters the same way they have former Sunni insurgents.

By Babak Dehghanpisheh | NEWSWEEK
Jan 28, 2008 Issue

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  • Posted By: Johndavidprince @ 03/29/2008 3:54:33 PM

    Comment: The President gave yet another speech on (03.19.08). What bothered me was his refusal to stray form past catch phrases and bumper sticker stats Yes Saddam was a bad man. OK. We knew that. If that was the reason why we are there, we should be in regions in Africa, the Far East, and other Middle Eastern Nations like Saudi Arabia. Sorry, I do not buy what he is still selling as justification. The White House has been making the claim that the War has experienced success all along the way. Then why are there still 135,000 soldiers and over 100,000 contractors there at present? That is not counting Afghanistan. I have heard people defend the War with the excuse that, we have troops all over the word so why should we care about troops in Iraq. Well George Washington would call it a foreign entanglement that is not healthy for National Security nor is it healthy at 2.5 to 3.5 trillion dollars. The President continues to make the assertion that the actions have made the Nation safer. Well then we should stop paying attention to the reports of other government agencies and experts who have proven otherwise. We only have to watch the daily reports of yet another bombing or loss of soldiers from all the theaters of conflict and the truth becomes self-evident. He can say what he wants now that he will be passing the buck to a successor. The concept of pre-emptive war is not a true deterrent to war because it is still war. Why can we not realize this? War does not prevent War that is why pre-emptive use of force policy is a paradox. Can you have pre-emptive sex in order to prevent sex? If you do, use protection. In conclusion, the ends have not justified the means or the reasons for action. We could have ride Iraq of Saddam with more efficient methods. But if we are the Earth???s remover of bad, evil dictators, abusive theocracies, or brutal totalitarianism then we have a lot of countries to invade and trillions of dollars more for the middle class to finance.

  • Posted By: JohnGaltlaketahoe @ 03/26/2008 9:20:13 PM

    Comment: No weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. No mobile biological weapons labs were found. Iraq did not seek to acquire yellowcake uranium. The aluminum tubes were not sultable for nuclear weapons. The lead hi-jacker in the events of 9/11 did not meet with Iraqi intelligence. Iraq did not provide chemical weapons training to Al-Qaeda. There was no relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Hussein nor Iraq was involved in the events of 9/11.

    One million Iraqi citizens have died. 2 million have been displaced. Four thousand US soldiers have died. 100,000 have been wounded physically and mentally.

    Only the oil remains. The conflicts of interest inherent in this Bush Administration are currently confiscating the natural resources of Iraq.

    Should this entire Executive Branch he hung? Should there simply be another election and a new President to continue this nightmare? Only the American electorate can decide what treason and insurrection against the American electorate means.

    But make no mistake....this Bush Administration used lies and innuendo to place the US military into Iraq.

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 02/13/2008 8:59:40 PM

    Comment: I see that ppl still want to blame Bush for Iraqs poor downfall. The fact we went in there wasnt a lie, even Clinton believed something was going on in Iraq. Or was he lying as usual ? Am I the only one that remembers the Monica Lewinsky crap and the trial that seemed to dragg on for ever...And then a news flash came on that we had militarily struck at Saddam with cruise missles for some strange reason? Seems either Bush was telling the truths that the Clinton admin passed on to him or the adulterating Clinton admin just wanted a distraction and killed innocents for a lie. Either way it goes back to the Clinton era. Atleast he was IMPEACHED for his bull. Enjoy that fact Dems.

  • Posted By: ItOnlyStandsToReason @ 02/10/2008 4:33:50 PM

    Comment: Posted By: bt446 @ 02/10/2008 3:06:26 PM
    Comment: Why haven't we killed this terrorist yet?

    Because Petreaus is smarter than you are.

    You don't defeat a resistance movement by killing its leaders; you do it by bringing them into a political settlement.

    Elements of the Mahdi army have used terrorist tactics, true. The goal has been to create defensible territories in Bagdhad where they don't have Sunnis, who are potential members of supporters of anti-Shiite terrorists, living in their midst. Sunnis have employed the same strategy and tactics. It's an unfortunate result of Rumsfeld's refusal to commit enough American troops to provide policing and security. The recent declines in violence are as much a result of the near-completion of this sectarian segregation of Baghdad as the fruit of the surge.

    Now Petraeus' job is to convice these sectarian leaders that they have sufficient security that they can begin to make these peace agreements without risking their lives or those of their followers. Assassinating al Sadr would send the opposite message; violence would swell, and several hundred more of our troops would die in return for al Sadr's death.

    Do you begin to understand now?

  • Posted By: bt446 @ 02/10/2008 3:08:34 PM

    Comment: Why haven't we killed this terrorist yet? He will fight our military, but when he begins to lose he hide's in mosques and behind women and children so he doesn't get killed. The U.S. military needs to take this terrorist out. Why would you put the word "great" in the same sentence as Moqtada al-sadre? His Mahdi army
    is not an army they are a bunch of killers and terrorists. We need to wipe them of the planet A.S.A.P.!

  • Posted By: bt446 @ 02/10/2008 3:06:26 PM

    Comment: Why haven't we killed this terrorist yet? He will fight our military, but when he begins to lose he hide's in mosques and behind women and children so he doesn't get killed. The U.S. military needs to take this terrorist out. Why would you put the word "great" in the same sentence as Moqtada al-sadre? His Mahdi army
    is not an army they are a bunch of killers and terrorists. We need to wipe them of the planet A.S.A.P.!

    • Posted By: ItOnlyStandsToReason @ 02/10/2008 16:36:18

      Comment: Posted By: bt446 @ 02/10/2008 3:06:26 PM
      Comment: Why haven't we killed this terrorist yet?

      Because Petreaus is smarter than you are.

      You don't defeat a resistance movement by killing its leaders; you do it by bringing them into a political settlement.

      Elements of the Mahdi army have used terrorist tactics, true. The goal has been to create defensible territories in Bagdhad where they don't have Sunnis, who are potential members of supporters of anti-Shiite terrorists, living in their midst. Sunnis have employed the same strategy and tactics. It's an unfortunate result of Rumsfeld's refusal to commit enough American troops to provide policing and security. The recent declines in violence are as much a result of the near-completion of this sectarian segregation of Baghdad as the fruit of the surge.

      Now Petraeus' job is to convice these sectarian leaders that they have sufficient security that they can begin to make these peace agreements without risking their lives or those of their followers. Assassinating al Sadr would send the opposite message; violence would swell, and several hundred more of our troops would die in return for al Sadr's death.

      Do you begin to understand now?

  • Posted By: rif2422 @ 01/25/2008 6:24:52 PM

    Comment: I find it funny how angry people are and believe that the Bush administration lied to them concerning the WMD's. Because if the admin truly "lied" about the weapons of mass destruction as all wacko's out there seem to, why wouldnt they just plant them? it would be simple as that. I for one believed that they would have. Hussein may have been hanged but he had the last laugh, because of his games and deceptions concerning the inspectors (that Bill Clinton allowed to be kicked out by the way, which is neither here nor there) Hussein goaded Bush into invading the country with a military force that wasn't large enough to clamp down on the sectarian hostilities involved in Iraq. If Iraq doesn't right itself the Bush legacy will go down as one of the worst presidencies of all time. I don't know i just think the "outrage" is kind of laughable, if Bush was such a liar/warmonger why not plant WMD's??? I would have lol. If he could pull off 9-11 as so many whackocrats claim, "finding" the lost WMD's should be easy in comparison

    • Posted By: pablito @ 01/29/2008 19:33:50

      Comment: Bush and sundry war crims didn't need to plant the WMDs because they don't have to justify themselves to anyone. They will never go to trial and there is no opposition in america with the balls to stand up to warmongers. The WMDs were an effort to get UN involvement once it was clear they weren't going to be believed the lie lost its purpose. And what would they plant - one of their nukes replete with serial numbers and dates of packaging - they aren't compotent enough to make it look convincing.

      • Posted By: rif2422 @ 01/31/2008 00:09:03

        Comment: Are you serious??? I know you must be joking, the WMD's were a lie to try to get UN involvement? C'mon even you don't seriously believe that nonsense do you? It has been widely acknowleged that even France believed Iraq had WMD's. And if the President could pull off 9-11 as so many people claim he did he could find some WMD's supposedly built in Iraq. For all the people that call this administration liars and frauds nobody can answer the question that if the administration truly lied to the world, HOW COME THEY DIDNT PLANT THE EVIDENCE????

      • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/30/2008 01:59:47

        Comment: Ask a Kurd if Saddam had any WMD's,,,The UN was given an opportunity to stop being impotent, and they passed, just like they're doing now with Iran, and continue to do with North Korea. Anyone who denies the reality that there was no "great conspiracy" is part of the problem and not part of the solution. The problem is that America is infected with a disease that has 1/2 a population that doesn't believe anything is worth dying for....except to spare the life of a criminal, or to condemn the life of a child, or to save a spotted owl and the tree it lives in, Stop thinking that cowardice invites peace....

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/24/2008 9:09:41 PM

    Comment: NOW HERE ARE THREE THING YOU ALL HAVE FORGOTTEN!
    1. ENRON
    2. WORLDCOM
    REASON FOR BUSH TO DECLARE WAR ON AN ADJECTIVE!
    3. 4 TONS OF STILL MISSING RX EXPLOSIVES ENOUGH FOR IEDs FOR 150 YEARS!
    TRUST BUSH-NOT TRUST SADR'S MILITIA-NOT
    ALL THIS= CHAOS FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME!

    • Posted By: bill50 @ 01/30/2008 09:21:38

      Comment: To pinkpanther:
      I believe you are an American by the way you write. If so why do you still live here in a country you hate so much. I was a soldier to for 21 years as was my father before me for 24 years. Together we have served this country through every war from WWII through the first Gulf War.What did you do in the service it sounds like rear echelon to me. Both my father and myself spent that time in the light Infantry and know what it is like to lose friends and then come home to spit on by the likes of you.
      Your comment about no Nazi in goverment in WWII is wrong. Not everyone in the Nazi party was a true Nazi as well as everyone in the Bath party did not fully support Saddam. Sometimes it was a necessity to stay alive. So I end this with saying again if you hate America leave. Let me suggest North Korea, Cuba, or even Iran. I am sure they are more to your liking.

      • Posted By: Wag The Dog @ 01/30/2008 13:45:11

        Comment: Wonderful, old Bill. Your family, like the majority of families in this country have served in the military. Bravo, you are truly unique.

        • Posted By: rif2422 @ 01/31/2008 00:15:18

          Comment: And served no less, in an all volunteer military that wants to win this war, so let them finish the job

  • Posted By: rif2422 @ 01/24/2008 7:05:23 PM

    Comment: What we're doing in Iraq right now with the surge is responding to three crippling problems we've had since the beginning of the invasion. First, taking the unemployed men that cannot earn wages for their families and are rightfully pissed off the streets and giving them a job, steady paycheck, and a way to defend their families and neighborhoods. Secondly, with the relative peace in the area we can now ensure that the infastructure we're building in Iraq is not sabotaged and destroyed. If we're allowed to finish the construction programs we've begun there, the Iraqi people will have better services than they ever had under Hussein and about 1,000 times better than they have now, And thirdly, and probably most importantly, by stationing the additional troops in Baghdad we are finally getting closer to the number we should have had since the invasion of Iraq. Our civilian leadership felt that we did not need a huge force to topple the Iraqi regime and in that regard they were right, but to keep the peace that Hussein was able to during his oppressive rule we obviously needed more troops. I have to applaud the job Petraeus has done up to this point, just when it seemed that Iraq was becoming an unwinnable quagmire we have seen some amazing gains there. The job isn't done by far yet, but with the way the situation is going we're hearing some amazing progress coming out of Iraq. Anybody dismissing them so far is someone almost wanting us to lose there. Let's keep up the good work and give this a chance to succeed. Positive hope for our troops and the Iraqi people is all we can do here, I realize that, but it is something. This is no time to dismiss our gains thus far. And honestly anyone who thinks that our gains come by "bribery" probably believes that Bush set up 9-11 and your viewpoints are pretty laughable. The situation is obviously improving much to the dismay of those that wanted us to run, so let's continue the mission and together we can all succeed, build a better Iraq and bring our brave men and women home with dignity, honor, and victory for all.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/24/2008 21:11:15

      Comment: YOU ARE 1 IN A MILLION NO BILLION YOU TRUST BUSH AND HIS ADMIN THROUGH ALL THE LIES AND DECEPTION AND YOU STILL TRUST BUSH. GO FIGURE

      • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/30/2008 01:50:43

        Comment: ...and pink, you're a dime a dozen. You refuse to trust any government, ever again.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/24/2008 20:14:16

      Comment: 1. YOUR IN DIRE NEED OF A HISTORY LESSON
      2. WE SPEND 2 BILLION A DAY TO STAY, THEY SPEND ZERO, AND CAN OUT WAIT US TEN FOLD, AS THEY HAVE REPELED INVADERS FOR THE LAST 3000 YEARS.
      3. THE SERVICES YOU SPEAK OF WERE FAR BETTER UNDER HUSSAIN, THEN ANY DAY AFTER 91 AND THE DAY WE WALKED IN, WITH 40,000 TROOPS DOING WHAT 2.5 MILLION PEOPLE W-O-U-L-D NOT DO! NOT COULD NOT DO, FOR THEMSELVES.
      4. WE INVADED TO REMOVE HUSSAIN, HIS BLACK GUARD, AND HIS HANDLERS THE BAATH PARTY! YOU KNOW THE SAME BAATH PARTY WE JUST GAVE OUR BLESSING TO? AS THEY ARE ALLOWED BACK INTO POLITICS,MILITARY,POLICE AND POWER, SO MUCH FOR REM0VAL!
      5. AS OF 91 HUSSAIN WAS UNDER GLASS AND IRAQ WAS ON THE WAR BOARD PRIOR TO 9/11 SO WE WERE GOING IN REGARLESS OF 9/11 OR NOT. AS IRAQ WAS ON THE LIST, WAY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
      6. 14 OUT OF 16 TERRORIST CAME FROM SAUDI, AND TODAY 40% OF THE INSURGENTS ARE COMMING FROM SAUDI! NOW WE SELL SAUDI 900+ SMART BOMBS AND WE ARE TOLD TO BELIEVE THEY WILL NOT FALL INTO TERRORIST HANDS? AS THEY WILL, AS SOON AS THEY ARE DELIVERED! WE CALL PEOPLE WHO DEFEND THERE HOMES TERRORIST, NOT FREEDOM FIGHTERS? THAT'S US, SO IT CAN'T BE THEM! WE CAN BUILD A BETTER IRAQ? WHILE OUR OWN COUNTRY IS CONDEMED AND FALLING APART AND LIKE RUSSIA BANKRUPT!
      LAST, IT'S NICE TO SPEND 2 BILLION A DAY AND NOT SEE A DIME COME BACK TO AMERICAN SOIL! IT'S TIME TO SPEND 2 BILLION A DAY, ON THIS OUR HOME, OUR COUNTRY! THE SAME COUNTRY WE ALL TOOK A OATH TO DIE FOR! THE UNITED G.D. STATES OF AMERICA, AND STOP INTERFERING IN OTHERS POLITICS, AND WORRY ABOUT OUR OWN! THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL THE WORLD RESPECT THE USA, CAUSE WE DON'T STICK OUR NOSES WHERE IT DON'T BELONG!

      • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/25/2008 17:49:23

        Comment: pinkpanther87413: Wit all due respect to you as a veteran(an obviously pissed off and anti-government one).
        Please adhere to your #1.
        #2 is false (odd, coming from someone who seems to think Bush is the only liar)
        I dare you to tell #3 to any Shiite or Kurdish Iraqi.
        As to #4 (I realize your particular anger for reintegrating the Ba'ath Party) its inaccurate to state that "we" did anything, The democratically-elected government of Iraq decided in its humanity that it just wasn't worth lining up every last Ba'athist to kill them. They were removed AND disbanded, apparantly you think we should murder them all. I disagree.
        Moving on to your #5, after 1991 Hussein was under the "U.N." glass. Their total incompetance, corruption, and impotence are precisely why America stands so alone in this struggle. Because the world does not share enough civility to effectively deal with issues, it will sit in the squalor of superpower dominance.
        #6 shows your complete mis-understanding of our history with Saudi Arabia.
        Lastly, your anger doesn't jsutify your ignorance. You know that every American DOESN'T have to take an oath to die for this country and that is exactly why we are a great G.D. country. As for 2 billion dollars a day bankrupting us....last time i looked, this great country had a GDP of 14 trillion dollars per year, every year, and heaven forbid if it doesn't grow 3% every year without every last nay-sayer clamoring that the sky is falling. And if you cared at all about the world respecting the USA, then try unity for once.

        • Posted By: pablito @ 01/29/2008 19:29:16

          Comment: There are plenty of Iraqis, in Iraq, willing to confirm the #3 it isn't americans that need to tell them - they keep saying they want the Americans out because things are far worse they even Saddam could manage, And it is niave that a country under occupation can do anything without permission from its occupiers so your comment about #4 is particular specious. The US invaded a country to occupy that country - it was never a liberation and never about democracy or preventing corruption, torture, murder, etc - The US stopped the weapons inspectors because IRaq kept complying and it was becoming increasingly obvious that there were none there. They lied to the public - the US administration is guilty of international crimes against humanity - this is not said out of anger, it is said because the facts, for anyone looking past embedded journalists, are obvious.

          • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/30/2008 01:48:52

            Comment: You are the liar, you are lying to yourself. You're drinking the kool-aid that convinces you that somehow if you scream "liar" loud enough and long enough that it makes it true. You represent the greatest hypocrisy in history and perpetrate the greatest lie of all (to complete your desire for grandiose diatribe) But you refuse to face the very question that Bush demanded to know. Saddam HAD WMD, there is no question or doubt, he used them against his own people. That is irrefutable...absorb it, accept it, and move on. Bush went to the UN to demand that they hold Saddam to account for his WMD, he refused, Saddam admitted that he intentionally deceived the world to his weapons capability. People like you have discovered that if you skew the facts enough that you can believe whichever lie that suits you. ( I believe that's the 'blue' kool-aid)

  • Posted By: thuctho @ 01/24/2008 6:38:46 PM

    Comment: oh boy, when will we start taking care for ourselves before caring for others? we can't handle the world problems and miseries because we don't have unlimited resources. we need to get the rest of the world to help us solve the world's problems. we can do only so much. why are we even in South Korea? they are a rich country and can protect themselves. they can fight and die for their freedom and democracy. South Korea need to draft more of their citizens to match North Korea's soldiers so our soldiers don't have to be their. sell them our advanced weapons like stealth bombers and North Korea would not dare to attack. same goes to Japan. we need to protect our borders from potential terrorists from crossing in. we are over $9 TRILLION debt. and we're borrowing more money from India, China, Japan, South Korea, etc. to finance the war in Iraq which is unnecessary.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/24/2008 20:16:44

      Comment: PLEASE PLEASE, ABIDE BY RULE NUMBER ONE! WE GIVE THEM EVERY THING THEY GOT, BUT NOT EVERY THING WE GOT!

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/24/2008 19:54:28

      Comment: YOU JUST ASKED THE QUESTION OF THE AGES AND DULY SO! I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SAME THING THIS IS EXACTLY WHY BUSH SR STATED "WE CANNOT AFFORD TO TAKE BAGDAD NOT NOW NOT EVER" NOW WE SEE HIS SON HAS A PROBLEM WITH LISTENING AND AS FAR AS JAPAN AND A MILITARY, IT'S OUR RESPONSABILITY AS OF THE ATOMIC BOMBS DROPPED, AND I TO REFUSE TO ALLOW MY BOYS TO BLEED FOR THE STRONGEST COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE-EAST! JUST CAUSE THE BIBLE TELLS US SO! UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A REASON WHICH IS CURRENT AND WITHOUT THE WORDS GOD,JESUS AND 3000 YEARS AGO!

  • Posted By: rrllee @ 01/24/2008 5:58:32 PM

    Comment: I have never believed the United States will maintain longstanding rule in Iraq.

    Russell Lee

  • Posted By: rrllee @ 01/24/2008 5:56:53 PM

    Comment: I have never believed the United States will maintain longstanding rule in Iraq.

    Russell Lee

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/24/2008 18:38:24

      Comment: YOUR RIGHT, CAUSE WITH OUR BLESSING WE SLAPPED OUR DEAD IN THE BACK!! BY ALLOWING THE BAATH PARTY BACK INTO POWER, AGAIN! AFTER 4000 LIVES WERE LOST TO REMOVE THEM! NOW, TRY TO TELL ME TO PULL OUT IS DISHONERING OUR MILITARY! I'LL TELL YOU YOUR FULL OF B.S. AS I AM A FIGHTER AND KNOW EXACTLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT ALLOWING THE BAATH PARTY BACK COMPARED TO PULLING OUT!

  • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/23/2008 2:44:19 PM

    Comment: Thank you, you've made my point more concise than I could have.....We DID stop funding the Mujahadeen and we got Al-Qaeda, we DID stop effectively supporting the Shah and he was over-thrown, we DID leave Saddam Hussein blowing in the wind after the war with Iran and he got pissed. I define everyone of those situations as cutting-and-running. Our ONLY failure has been lack of perseverance....in EVERY instance. It's one thing to to sell some arms, send some advisors, or have the CIA fund a revolution. But what is missing is helping re-build schools, roads, water-towers, infrastructure and sustainable economy. I dont attach cutting-and-running to an occupation as you do. Cutting-and-running is when you walk away before you truly achieve the results required for success. People around the world respect our strength of arms but despise our lack of resolve. QUASIMODOMOUSE: You will continue to cherry-pick realities that reinforce your worldview. I suspect so will I. This world desperately wants to stop hating us...Americans desperately want to stop being hated. Cowards have effectively derailed many noble attempts...(and, the democratically-elected government of Iraq hung Saddam Hussein) I do agree we should have dealt with this issue in 1991 when we had the world supporting the effort.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/24/2008 17:47:42

      Comment: CUTTING AND RUNNING BY YOUR DEFINITION IS EXACTLY THE ONLY WAY TO LEAVE IT A TOPIC. TO DEAL WITH IN FURTURE. FOR ELECTION REASONS. IF WE DID NOT INTERFERE, ARM, TRAIN, AND FUND! WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD A 9/11! AND NOW WE ARM AGAIN, KNOWING IT DOES NOT WORK FOR THE NEXT ONE TO COME DOWN TO ELECT.POLITICS IS OUR BIGGEST DOWNFALL! IT'S LIKE [NO DISRESPECT INTENDED] A MORMON COMMING TO YOUR HOME, AND WALKING IN TO IMPOSE HIS RELIGION ON YOU, LIKE IT OR NOT, IT WILL BE. THIS IS THE WAY WE TREAT THE WORLD AND IT'S OLD AND TO DEADLY TO TRY TO REPEAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/24/2008 17:39:59

      Comment: WE COLD NOT DO IN 91 WHAT WE ARE NOT TO BE DOING NOW. AS STATED IN HIS OWN WORDS BUSH SR WAS ASKED "WHY DID WE NOT TAKE BAGDAD" HIS REPLY WAS "WE CANNOT NOW OR EVER AFFORD TO TAKE BAGDAD" AND AS A FACT AFTER 91 HUSSAIN WAS UNDER GLASS, AND IN THE CROSSHAIRS, EVERY MIN, OF EVERY DAY! AS WE LEFT PERSONEL BEHIND, JUST FOR THIS REASON. BUSH SR KNEW WE HAD TO REBUILD OUR OWN COUNTRY, BEFORE REBUILDING ANOTHER, AND THIS IS THE PART WE MISSED! WE HAD NO DEFICIT, BUT WE HAD NOT REBUILT A FACTORY OR ROAD, BETWEEN KUWAIT IRAQ AND BAGDAD IRAQ! WE DID HAVE PLENTY SURPLUSS TO DO WHAT WAS NEEDED IN AFGANISTAN HAD WE DONE IT RIGHT! WE HAD HIM, THEN OUTSOURCED THE ENDING, AND MISSED. HAD WE DONE IT OURSELVES AND PULLED OUT AS WE DID, WE WOULD STILL HAVE A LITTLE CHANGE LEFT OVER FOR THE USA, BUT WE HAD IRAQ ON THE WAR BOARD PRIOR TO 9/11, SO WE WERE GOING IN ANY WAY REGARDLESS OF 9/11! I THINK IT'S TO FUNNY HOW MANY HAVE FORGOTTEN BUSH JR. PART IN ENRON AND WORLDCOM DUE TO WAR. WILL HE EVER PAY HIS PRICE FOR HIS PART ASK KEN LEIGH WHO HAS YET TO SEE A COURT ROOM! THIS LEAVES ME TO BELIEVE THE ANSWER I RECIEVED FROM BIN-LAAUDEN HIMSELF IN THE EARLY 80S, WHEN HE WAS PRO-AMERICAN. WHEN I ASKED WHY WE WERE WALKING AROUND TRAINING THEM, WE HAD AK-47s TO THE BACK OF OUR HEADS DAILY. SO I ASKED WHY! HE EXPLAINED AS HE IS A VERY SMART MAN. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION, OR EXTREMISM, IT WAS THE HATERED WE CREATED BY INTERFERING IN THERE COUNTRY AND POLITICS! WHICH WE STILL ARE DOING TODAY! THIS IS THE CORE OF THE HATE TO THE USA FROM THE MIDDLE-EAST AND ASIA, IS PLAIN INTERFERENCE WHERE WE DO NOT LIVE AND DO NOT HAVE TO LIVE BY.

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 01/21/2008 11:03:04 PM

    Comment: REQUIRED READING: The Surge to Nowhere by Andrew Bracevich, published in the Washington Post, Sunday, January 20, 2008. If General Petraeus is succeeding with the Shiite militia, it???s the same reason he succeed with the Sunni in Anbar province. He bribed them. We???ve had a terrible history with bribery in the Middle East. We bribed the Shah of Iran and got the Islamic Revolution. (The CIA, under the supervision of Dulles, overthrew a democratically elected government to install the Shah.) We bribed the mujadeen to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan and got the Taliban. We befriend the Saudis which is the primary funding source of al Qaeda and the country of origin for most of the terrorists involved in 9/11. The January 2004 edition of Jeune Afrique contains a photo showing Donald Rumsfield glad-handing Saddam Hussein. So we???re creating peace in Iraq by bribing everybody. What will they with the money? And, what happens when the bribery stops?

    • Posted By: rif2422 @ 01/24/2008 19:01:49

      Comment: It's not bribery. What we're doing in Iraq right now with the surge is responding to three crippling problems we've had since the beginning of the invasion. First, taking the unemployed men that cannot earn wages for their families and are rightfully pissed off the streets and giving them a job, steady paycheck, and a way to defend their families and neighborhoods. Secondly, with the relative peace in the area we can now ensure that the infastructure we're building in Iraq is not sabotaged and destroyed. If we're allowed to finish the construction programs we've begun there, the Iraqi people will have better services than they ever had under Hussein and about 1,000 times better than they have now, And thirdly, and probably most importantly, by stationing the additional troops in Baghdad we are finally getting closer to the number we should have had since the invasion of Iraq. Our civilian leadership felt that we did not need a huge force to topple the Iraqi regime and in that regard they were right, but to keep the peace that Hussein was able to during his oppressive rule we obviously needed more troops. I have to applaud the job Petraeus has done up to this point, just when it seemed that Iraq was becoming an unwinnable quagmire we have seen some amazing gains there. The job isn't done by far yet, but with the way the situation is going we're hearing some amazing progress coming out of Iraq. Anybody dismissing them so far is someone almost wanting us to lose there. Let's keep up the good work and give this a chance to succeed. Positive hope for our troops and the Iraqi people is all we can do here, I realize that, but it is something. This is no time to dismiss our gains thus far. And honestly anyone who thinks that our gains come by "bribery" probably believes that Bush set up 9-11 and your viewpoints are pretty laughable. The situation is obviously improving much to the dismay of those that wanted us to run, so let's continue the mission and together we can all succeed, build a better Iraq and bring our brave men and women home with dignity, honor, and victory for all.

    • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/22/2008 16:00:31

      Comment: But in every instance the Post mentions, the same result comes about for the EXACT same reason: we cut-and-run. We achieve the immediate goal and pull back when in every instance perseverance and the concept of 'Winning the Peace' eludes us.

      • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/24/2008 18:34:03

        Comment: TIME TO STAND CORRECTED WE DID NOT BRIBE ANYONE DEALING WITH THE RUSSIANS! WE KEPT A COMMUNISTIC FOOTHOLD OUT OF THE MIDDLE-EAST USING LOCALS, CAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN AFFORD TO STAY, AND KEEP UP A GOOD FIGHT! WE COULD, AND TODAY CANNOT, AFFORD TO STAY! IF WE KEPT OR NOSES OUT OF THERE BUISN IE: THIS IS HOW YOUR GOING TO LIVE, AND WE DON'T, CAUSE YOU LIVE HERE, WE DON'T, BUT WE WILL MAKE LAWS AND REGS YOU MUST LIVE BY! WE DON'T CAUSE WE DO NOT LIVE THERE! I WOULD STAY PRETTY PISSED OFF TO, AND DO THE SAME AS DID BIN-LAUDEN. AS HE TOLD US HE WOULD DO, IF WE CONTINUED TO INTERFERE! SO WE GOT A BLOODY NOSE, 3000 DEAD, 2.5 MILLION EMPLOYED, CONCIDERING THE LONG TERM FAMILY TIES BETWEEN THE LAUDENS AND BUSHS, HAVE! BUSH GOT THE BETTER END OF THE SHAFT! TRUST ME I WAS THERE DOING WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED!
        BTW WE DID ABANDON THE SHAA, AS WE WERE TAKEN HOSTAGE FOR 555 DAYS, DUE TO OUR CHOICE, WAS NOT THERES!

      • Posted By: quasimodomouse @ 01/22/2008 16:21:24

        Comment: David, your reply is nonsensical. In none of the instances mentioned was there an occupation to cut and run from. Are you suggesting we should have kept funding and training the warlords and Taliban and there never would have been blowback? We didn't cut and run from the Shah, he was our boy. Perhaps if he'd had hundreds of thousands of Blackwater security guards he could have prevented revolution? Shouldn't have cut and run from Saddam? Right, if only we'd been more supportive of the dictator we put in power in the first place we wouldn't have had to hang him and implement even more genocidal policies than he did to keep the people of Iraq in their places...if only you had been shaping foreign policy for the last 40 years...what a wonderful world we'd be living in.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 01/21/2008 8:06:47 AM

    Comment: Cautious is the word. The media is only painting a nice picture. The US still has to pump in billions but until when? The situation in Iraq is still uncertain. It is not Petreaus who brokered the truce. The ceasefire is in place because the insurgents reduced their activities. Both the US military and the Iraqi army have not been able to make them surrender, collect and destroy their (insurgents) weapons. There will be more bloodshed.

  • Posted By: bohdansz @ 01/21/2008 4:47:11 AM

    Comment: There is no jihad, only poverty and misery. Amen! I just hope that al-Sadr grows up sooner. the sooner "sayed' grows up, the better all Iraq will be. American universities should devise scientific ways how to help al-Sadr grow up!

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/20/2008 10:50:34 PM

    Comment: David
    The only thing the Bush family can pull offf is killing uneducated children! Daddy arms trains and funds Bin-Lauden accepts the fact in 91 we can NEVER AFFORD TO TAKE BAGDAD as stated by Bush Sr. we are attacked by terrorist from Saudi and invade Iraq and steal like Hussain ever did and then we put his handlers back into power to what? Create another Hussain Jeb gets to play with??? Allow then to take all the oil profits and rule like there ex-leader! WE ARE ALLOWING THE BAATH PARTY BACK INTO POLITICS AND POWER IF YOU ALLREADY FORGOT THE BAATH PARTY IS ONE REASON OUR KIDS WERE DIEING AND ONE REASON WE INVADED IN THE FIRST PLACE! BEFORE WE LOST 4 TONS OF RX EXPLOSIVES TO THE ENEMY! THEY HAVE BEEN FEUDING FOR 3000 YEARS WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IT WILL STOP? WHEN EVERY RELIGION IN THE STATES WOULD KILL TO PROVE THERE WAY IS THE RIGHT AND ONLY WAY! IF THEY HAD A CHANCE!

    • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/20/2008 23:08:45

      Comment: I can only say this regarding the Baath party: didn't we also endure the period of de-nazification?
      And as a side note, I think how we handled post-war Japan and Germany are the models for which we should strive, they both emerged as greater nations as a direct result of the enduring commitment that their American conquerors had. And it is infinitely dangerous to fall in the old propagandist trap that this is merely a spat between Bush and Bin-Laden. You youreself said that 2 people can't make peace.

      • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/21/2008 00:04:34

        Comment: No Nazi ever returned to high office, not even when there was two Germanys! The Baath party is and was the party Hussain was a puppet for. They approved the gassing of the Kurds, and the beheadings, they are an entire different animal, who never had Nuremburg to worry about. Watching the USA go broke cause Japan flourished was not fun either, right concept wrong method, but your right no other option at the time. If i wanted to see a Great America, is unfourtunatly when made in America was made not just assembled, and i do not believe the companies we made rich should have left American soil, but for a few who are in the process of moving to Mexico to keep there labor force in Mexico where everyone wants them. During Nam if we spent 2 billion a day 1.8 billion came back to American soil that's the America I want back, the one that led by example, as we invested into our own, and the world watched and copied! That's the country I would die for willingly, as i did before! The spat should be against Saudi not Iraq and Bin-Lauden should be toe jam by now! you are one educated person by book? No disrespect intended. I'm educated by life and sight and experiences!

        • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/21/2008 00:09:56

          Comment: i am never going to imply lauden should not be a target he should i wrote it kinda off so please forgive the word, and, should not go there between Iraq and Bin-Lauden. my apoligies if anyone got wrong idea.

          • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/23/2008 14:53:35

            Comment: I hope you see this pinkpanther: For what it's worth, regardless of any differing viewpoints we may have: I hold soldiers (especially of foreign wars) in the absolute highest regards. I had two purple-hearted grandfathers who fought and suffered. So you have the strongest gratitude and pride in your courage and character from this American cyber-stranger

            • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/24/2008 17:22:29

              Comment: THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOUR GRANDAD FOR HIS SERVICE

  • Posted By: Nicklie2005 @ 01/20/2008 10:45:25 PM

    Comment: Im with the second guys comment. Pinkpanther....shut up and commit suicide...america is better off without your type of ignant attitude.

    • Posted By: Wag The Dog @ 01/30/2008 14:03:39

      Comment: Oh, BTW, "Nicklie2005"

      Next time you want to call someone "ignorant" you might want to hit the spell check first, lest you look "ignant" yourself, whatever the hell that is supposed to mean. Idiot.

    • Posted By: Wag The Dog @ 01/30/2008 14:00:45

      Comment: How mature and American of you "Nicklie2005" to tell someone you disagree with to go kill themselves. What are you, four? How PATRIOTIC you must be to tell a dissenter to go "commit suicide". Oh wait, I mean, what's the opposite of patriotic? That's what I meant. Suicide is a serious issue and America and the world is better off without your ignorant attitude.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/21/2008 00:14:06

      Comment: you know they said the same thing when i came back [ from war ] so what else is new

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/20/2008 22:59:44

      Comment: Boy if you want IGNORENT look in the mirror

  • Posted By: washington109 @ 01/20/2008 10:31:57 PM

    Comment: Faminchin - I tip my hat to you for your educated, eloquent response.

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/20/2008 10:30:41 PM

    Comment: "Soldiers don't fail leaders do, start at the top" we invaded to rid Iraq of Hussain, his black guard and his puppeters, the Baath party! You say we fail, if we pull out? Now we are, with the blessing of the United States, allowing the Baath party back [Sadr's group] into politics,military,and power! Now WE Failed our troops to allow this! Finish the job, we just dishonered our troops, not by leaving, as told to us by our Commander in chief, but to allow the people we went to remove, back into power? Then we sell 900+ "smart bombs" to the country the terrorist came from to wipe out the WTC, and BELIEVE, THEY WILL NOT END UP IN TERRORIST HANDS??? No country in the world has ever dropped a nuke on another during war! An atomic bomb you bet on civilians [ with way to many military targets to hit ], but we wanted a bigger boom for the buck, and a easy way to destroy nuclear waste, besides dumping it in the ocean. Which Russia has done, and i'll bet good money a greedy American did to!! Lets not forget the three atomic bombs aimed at Tiwain in case we try to free them from China, it disaperes, but at least it's atomic, and we are left with zero spare parts, for our great war machine made anywhere but here!! To pull out graciously is not a disgrace, but to allow the same people we went to remove, back, into power in any form is dishonerable, and that's comming from an American military man!Deal with it! Dropping a nuke should be a hard descission but I don't see it as a problem with the current admin in D.C., and besides you do not nuke what you want to pump home! You drop atomics then you can re-use the property and mineral rights! Two people can't make peace, populations do!
    David
    i agree but ? Our actions as of the 70s do not leave much room for dignity or respect of the people. When they were taught exactly what we did, step by step, in Iraq, and they were taught this in the 70s!

    • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/20/2008 22:48:37

      Comment: I only grew up in the 70's, but my admittedly objective observation of it tells me that a historically dramatic shift occurred that could probably ONLY have happened in a truly free country. That observation is that the people freed themselves of any delusion that the government is as honorable as we had once hoped it was. The tragic side to it all is that even today is that there seems to be this expanse that exists between Americans and our own government that reveals a persistent distrust. And time doesn't seem to be healing the wound that has prevented us from really getting the most out of our government .

      • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/20/2008 22:59:00

        Comment: I served in the late 70s, so distrust is an understatment, and very understandable, we did what we do,interfere politicaly in other countries. In turn they did not and still do not quit like the idea of it, which is understandable. i completly agree with the statement you wrote under mine even if it's as true today as it was when we were spit on. to true and sad as ,"The people should never fear it's government, the government should fear it's people" and ours is still in a state of flux and to be honest i believe it's due to the same people who were there in the 70s are still there!

        • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/20/2008 23:18:36

          Comment: To go philosophical on the whole discussion, I wonder if the true legacy of the 20th century comes right down to the after-math of 2 world wars and the long failed attempt at a 'one-world' government. I mean I've always seen a distinct connection between all the modern conflicts. Our discussion of the 70's and the 'Vietnam effect' ties directly to UN mandates. And those UN mandates only came about by the re-construction and protection of Japanese-occupied countries that fell to the USA and USSR as victors. I guess it puts a whole new twinst on "to the victor goes the spoils"

          • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/20/2008 23:42:50

            Comment: I wouldn't go that far. We spent 90 billion on weapons and they spent 90 billion on tec, and we lost, and Russia lost, as Gernamy and Japan flourished. There is a distinct connection in the modern conflicts it's called greed, and the same set of morons running this country from 1970 or earlier and still there,

          • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/20/2008 23:35:36

            Comment: the victor also write the history

            • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/20/2008 23:53:02

              Comment: Then I'll finish with this..."We have great fighters but crap writers..."

              • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/21/2008 00:16:15

                Comment: should i take as copliment as i'm military also

              • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/21/2008 00:05:31

                Comment: exelent point

  • Posted By: washington109 @ 01/20/2008 10:30:05 PM

    Comment: S3ATH, you are indeed ignorant. General Petraeus is achieving great success by drawing a hard line where he needs to, and by working with the locals when this makes sense. Anyone with the "nuke 'em all" attitude has no value of human life and doesn't appreciate the immense reprisals any country would get for doing so. If you don't have anything worh saying, why don't you shut your ignorant yap?

  • Posted By: faminchin @ 01/20/2008 10:26:36 PM

    Comment: I believe what is really going on is Iraqi's are waking up to the fact that there is no Jihad. There is just a small band of murderering cowards that hide behind women and children while decieving Muslim youth into fighting for them. Muslim's should be leading the way in this fight! If Muslim's really believe the Quran, then they know there is nothing in it to support the killing of innocence. There aren't 72 virgins for sucide, the Quran plainly states sucide is wrong and leads to enternally damnation.

    What we have here is a small group of cowardly murderers, pure evil, hiding behind a woman's skirt, while waving the Quran and deceiving Muslim youth into eternal damnation. Iraqi's have woke up to that fact! There is no Jihad!

    • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/20/2008 22:39:11

      Comment: I agree...Iraq's biggest enemy, and it pertains to much of the Middle East, is unemployment and poverty. If this peace can hold long enough to begin a program of building, then the violence will eventually give way to 'real' freedom and 'real' prosperity. As Americans we should realize that all along our greatest power wasn't advanced weaponry, but wealth. I think we should contemplate why we've 'allowed' oil to get to $100 a barrel and why we haven't seen any oil out of Iraq yet. When we finally finish this thing, Iraq will be capable of supporting an economy that puts the masses to work in honorable professions, and not hoarding it to a select few. God-willing if Bush pulls it off, he will have achieved the goal he set out years ago, to help Iraq to become the future model of the Middle East: free and democratic nations capable of lasting peace.

  • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/20/2008 9:41:49 PM

    Comment: As an American, I can say with authority: If you dont come from a country that has actually dropped a nuclear weapon in an act of war, then you really have no concept of how 'hard' it is to do it. The 'easy' way is to earn the respect of the people, day-by-day, keep your commitments, never back-down, finish the job, and leave with the dignity of the people intact.

  • Posted By: S3ATH @ 01/20/2008 9:29:37 PM

    Comment: theres a easy way and a hard way u amricans are doin it the hard way the easy way is nuke'em fixes all the problems in iraq or use c130 hercules with spray booms and load the lot up with pigs blood and spray the lot simply

  • Posted By: S3ATH @ 01/20/2008 9:25:57 PM

    Comment: Y DONT WE JUST NUKE THE LOT ITS EASER

    • Posted By: Wag The Dog @ 01/30/2008 14:10:58

      Comment: You know, spell check never killed a guy...Furthermore, don't you think there wold be environmental consequences if we nuked the M.E.? What about our friends in Israel and Europe? Are we supposed to put them under a cloud of radioactive material just to make our job easier, as you say? Or are you one of the geniuses that think 100% of Muslims are terrorist?

  • Posted By: David Red/Cal @ 01/20/2008 8:50:57 PM

    Comment: So your version of bloody is acceptable, but you'll waste no time in more self-loathing that have undermined this historic endeavor for the last 4 years. The second Americans started getting weak and divided, the Iraqis began to get weak and divided. It is a testament to our military and our administration that we have enjoyed any success at all. Anyone who thinks that it's "okay" to let one non-government Militia exist really hasn't thought through what that precedent would entail-Kurds will pull away for their 'section of Iraq', Baathists will retreat to Tikrit for their 'section', al-Qaeda might even opt for their own 'section', you've already given Sadr a 'section', hell, why not let Iran walk on over for Basra. People have been griping about Bush not having a 'plan' in Iraq for so long that their arrogance has caused them to stop listening....Bush has repeatedly committed to the goal that Iraq would emerge united. It is a great American tragedy that we deeply believe that in order for us to actually have an opinion we have to completely destroy or discredit the existing or authoritative precursors.

    • Posted By: Wag The Dog @ 01/30/2008 14:17:12

      Comment: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute! You wrote that the Iraqi's were not weak and divided until America was!?! Seriously, are you crazy? Iraq has ALWAYS been divided, perhaps not to the extent of today, but Iraq and the M.E. in general has always been extremely divided. Where have you been since 660?

  • Posted By: Dunes @ 01/20/2008 8:21:17 PM

    Comment: It takes an Iraq to catch an Irat!!

  • Posted By: Dunes @ 01/20/2008 8:18:42 PM

    Comment: It takes an Iraq to catch an Irat

  • Posted By: navydoc1963 @ 01/20/2008 8:18:24 PM

    Comment: Check this out and then tell me what you think http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/01/the-stories-the.html

  • Posted By: navydoc1963 @ 01/20/2008 8:17:39 PM

    Comment: tak a look here http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/01/the-stories-the.html

  • Posted By: lesbrown @ 01/20/2008 7:58:00 PM

    Comment: For the last 4 years it wasn't hard to recognise that the key to peace in the poorest of population in Iraq was to talk to Sadr. Instead, we opted to prop up the regions fairly rich people and those who had connections with our State Depatment in hopes of protectecting and expanding our intrests and influence. It hasn't worked and won't work unless the natural leaders are given respect in their eyes. The conditions for unrest which are seething underneeth the political fray must be solved by those closest to to it.

    Let the Mahdi Army control it's section of Iraq and do battle with their internal enemies. Le't take a careful step back and monitor the situation and keep the lines of communication open.
    It will be bloody (for sure) but hasn't it been all along?

  • Posted By: dadyo @ 01/20/2008 7:47:38 PM

    Comment: When will they attack the USA next

    • Posted By: Wag The Dog @ 01/30/2008 14:19:52

      Comment: Dadyo says "When will they attack the USA next"

      That's funny because I don't remember any Iraqi's being involved in 9/11 or any other attack on US soil. If I remember correctly, which I do, the majority of the hijackers were Saudi.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/20/2008 23:08:18

      Comment: mmm Iraq never attacked America-ever

  • Posted By: dadyo @ 01/20/2008 7:44:32 PM

    Comment: When will their next attack on the USA come

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/20/2008 23:08:51

      Comment: when the arms sale is done with the Saudis

  • Posted By: quasimodomouse @ 01/20/2008 7:42:49 PM

    Comment: Petraeus deserves no credit for reducing violence except for the fact that his "surge" facilitated the further ethnic cleansing of Bagdhad. Presto...less sectarian violence now that the Sunni have largely been driven from their homes and now the neighborhoods are purely Sunni or Shiite where they once were mixed. "Awakening Councils" are essentially being paid protection money not to attack U.S. forces or the puppet Government of Iraq.
    -ikez78 asks,"...conveniently are ignorant of the history between the two sides?" re" Iran and the U.S.. I would posit that he is conveniently ignorant of any history between the two sides prior to the Revolution and taking of American hostages, events triggered by our meddling in that country. Iran's president was elected over his moderate rival only after Bush's bellicose rhetoric and labeling of Iran as part of an Axis of Evil drove Iranian voters towards his nationalistic policies. This after Iran cooperated fully with our interests following 9-11. Now every utterance of Bush's with regard to Iran is rightfully deemed untrue. No fast boat attacks, not arming the Taliban or cooperating with Al-Qeda (though we have been arming and encouraging Salafi Jihadists to attack Iranian civilians with car bombs), no WMD....and on and on and on.

  • Posted By: fwolfpack @ 01/20/2008 7:40:07 PM

    Comment: I may not be a history major, but as I look at , how can we ever have any relationship with peoplw who allow children to be killed, villages to be massacred, Americans to be beheaded, towns to be gassed, prizoners to be tortured and so on? Excuse me, but are we or are we not civilized people living in the 21st century? Perhaps we should just let these barbarians kill each other and stay away from them all.

    • Posted By: Wag The Dog @ 01/30/2008 14:24:56

      Comment: Oh, but 9/11 changed everything! If we don't kill them there they will kill us here! We HAVE to stay in Iraq for at least another 100 years or there will be terrorist under our beds and a Muslim will be President!
      There, is that enough right wing hysteria for you? So you have qualms with the enemy using torture but you apparently have no qualms with the USA using torture? How cute ... how typically American.

  • Posted By: ikez78 @ 01/20/2008 6:50:20 PM

    Comment: I figured it wouldnt take long for NEWSWEEK to praise outspoken enemies of the U.S.

    Don't you losers still think Bush is equally to blame with Iran's president for the conflict between the two countries and you conveniently are ignorant of the history between the two sides?

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/20/2008 23:10:16

      Comment: Not a loser your right though for many many reasons and years

      • Posted By: bohdansz @ 01/21/2008 04:41:55

        Comment: There is no jihad, only poverty and misery! Amen! I just hope that al-Sadr grows up soon. The sooner "sayed" grows up the better Iraq will be! America should find ways to help him grow up!

 
 
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