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  • Posted By: jasale @ 01/29/2008 10:18:03 AM

    This might sound alittle ridiculous but I have 2 children and both were vaginal births and my sister has had 2 c-sections and now she always makes fun of me and says I am loose. So maybe that could be another reason why women are opting for c-sections. Anyhow I don't think I would risk my life or the the life of my baby just to please a man.

  • Posted By: mom2three @ 01/29/2008 10:05:07 AM

    Something that I'm reading over and over again is that in a hospital, you're surrounded by people who care for you and are ready to jump in the event of an emergency and that is not the case at home. I've had a c/s birth in a hospital, a mw birth in a hospital (yes, epidural), and a home birth with midwives. The place where I was most surrounded by caring people ready to jump in case of an emergency was at home. In the hospital, I was hooked up to monitors and left alone for long periods of time. I was checked on a few times an hour and then ignored. The labor was long and difficult, I had absolutely no support from the staff. Yes, in that circumstance I could not give birth to my baby and needed a c/s. My second birth, the mw came and assisted. It was great, but she didn't come right away, the hospitals don't get the actual birth attendant unless you're so far along or there's a problem. So, I did get the epidural. At home, when I went into labor, my midwife came right away and stayed with me THE ENTIRE TIME, checking on how the baby and I were doing. Oh wait, she did leave to go around the corner and get food and came right back when we called that labor was picking up. If there was a problem, we had a plan in place and a dr to call to meet us at the hosptial. So, for those who think that the decision to home birth is an either/or one, you are misinformed. If something went wrong, I'd be the first to the hospital. I agree with the last poster (dishgirl) that either way you become a mohher and you need to make your decision based on your own research and what is best for your family. Both vaginal deliveries and c/s can leave scars. I have a problem with people making assumptions without doing the research.

  • Posted By: dishgirl @ 01/29/2008 9:49:18 AM

    Reading through the comments I notice one thing missing. Some (not all) people have reduced motherhood down to labor. As a mother of 2 boys (one "naturally" one c-section) I had the joy of 9 months of them moving inside me, laughing when you could tell they had hiccups and feeling them shift if you stroked my belly. Having a long labor did not make me feel more attached to my first over my second. Feeling a child grow inside you and the choices you make after they are born have more impact on making you a mother. Read up on "options" avail, both pros and cons, research where you can have your preferred delivery and go in with the idea that either way you are a MOTHER

  • Posted By: wantonhubris @ 01/29/2008 9:41:29 AM

    I think that a lot women often have c sections now because they need to add another accesory ( a child) to their wardrobe. i was invited to a baby shower that had nothing to do with the baby at all. The mother-to-be sent out a list with names of her masseuse, salon and manicurist so we could get her gift certificates. These womwen really feel like they are giving something because they had to miss a scrapbooking class, or pilates to give birth. Fortunately now they can plan for the gender and time of birth so it really isn't inconvenient for them at all. Then they can make sure to spend $$$ on prams , baby rooms and other items that make sure their baby gives them the amount of attention they need. It's no longer about the a family it's about where this will put their status. The best thing is that you can match your child to your outfit, like Paris and her chihuahua

  • Posted By: wantonhubris @ 01/29/2008 9:34:39 AM

    I think people have c sections now because children are thought of as accessories, reflections of the parents wealth or whatever. I was invited to a baby shower where the mother gave the names of her manicurist, masseuse , and salon. It was about her, not the baby at all. they need to know the gender and the time born so they can plan every moment of their kid's life so that it won't interrupt theirs. Paris Hilton has a chihuahua ,other people have children. As long as it matches your purse and gets attention for you I suppose it's worth it.

  • Posted By: Massiel08 @ 01/25/2008 12:38:03 PM

    I gave birth naturally and my sister had a C-Section (by no choice she had pre-clasma) My niece breaths really funny, she has had several trips to the emergency room. I dont know why but I think that women you give birth naturally and literally feel this human life rip your insides and be born and then feel nirvana and love is so powerful. My daughter is 5 and I dont think I am having anymore my niece is 3 and my sister is having another child this Monday! I see women example Britney Spears, my sister less attached to their children and will have more kids just like that. You just go to the doctor on a planned visit get sedated and give birth it seems so unnatural. I dont mean to sound like a prude or radical it is just my first hand experience with my sister and some of my other relatives and in-laws. I know that women you have a C-section will love and care for their children but I have notice a difference sometimes slightly and other times dramactictly.

    • Posted By: dekeyje @ 01/29/2008 9:19:12 AM

      I also work full-time because my husband is self-employed and we need the security of a steady income. You seem like the kind of person who thinks that because I don't spend every waking moment with my children, that also makes me love them less then a SAHM. If I didn't work, we'd be living in poverty and I would probably have to make decisions like "food vs. medicine" as so many in this country do. Everyone has a different story. It's up to whichever God you choose to speak to to judge whether you're doing a good job or not.

      • Posted By: dekeyje @ 01/29/2008 9:29:49 AM

        I apologize, that was uncalled for. This issue gets me somewhat fired up, along with others that divide rather than unite mothers.

    • Posted By: dekeyje @ 01/29/2008 9:04:44 AM

      The woman who treats her child differently because she had a section vs. vag shouldn't have had a child in the first place. The woman who says someone who had their children by c-section doesn't love their children as much as she does should get off her high horse.

      My first section was an emergency after 80 hours of labor - yes, you read that right - I was 2 weeks past my due date, baby was in distress and my water had been broken for over 24 hours so there was risk of infection. 2nd section was scheduled because this baby was even larger than the first. When I asked the OB what would have happened to my older daughter and me "back in the olden days", she (who has given birth to 5 kids of her own) replied that we probably would have both died without a C-section. I'm pretty sure I love my kids just as much as any other mother, and as a matter of fact have better memories of the scheduled c-section than the grueling, exhausting, frustrating 3.25 days of contractions and attempts to push I went through the first time before the emergency section at 1am. I have a friend who has had 5 c-sections, is a wonderful stay-at-home mom, runs marathons in her "spare" time, and is just an overall good person.

    • Posted By: sevais @ 01/25/2008 1:49:42 PM

      Give me a break!!! Through no fault of my own (I refuse to feel any guilt) I had to have two c-sections. Physically for both myself and my child it was the only option. I am totally attached to my children. I love them more that life itself and can't immagine the possibility of loving them any more!!! You don't gain love for your children through childbirth. You either love them or you don't! And if you don't feel the love you should for your children, then maybe you should never have become a mother. Again, and I reitterate, GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE! You are no better a woman or a mother just because you were able to have a child naturally! Good for you, and I am glad all went well. If it weren't for the ability to have a C-section, I would not have been able to have children at all. This in no way makes me less of a woman, nor a less loving mother!

  • Posted By: kansas83 @ 01/29/2008 9:28:01 AM

    I think the c-section rates are that high because of doctor's not allowing vbac's. I had a c-section with my first one because of fetal distress which I think was necessary. With my second child I had a repeat cesarean because I went all over the state (Kansas) and found nobody who would let me attempt a vbac!
    It is just ridiculous that when you've had once a cesarean, nobody will support your decision for a vbac.

    I do think c-sections can be lifesavers. They are essential in certain situations. What bugs me is that women are forced to undergo repeat cesareans that are sometimes not necessary!

  • Posted By: thefragile7393 @ 01/29/2008 9:14:40 AM

    Once again people are failing to take away the whole point of this article and movie--C-Sections are being done UN-NECESSARILY. I think all natural or vaginal birth advocates will all agree that there are always circumstances to where a C-Section is necessary, but not NEARLY at the rate that they are currently being done. If your C-Section was absolutely necessary, then don't take offense at the article or comments because you know deep down that it was the most necessary thing to do at the time.

  • Posted By: iansmom @ 01/25/2008 11:22:46 AM

    I wonder how many uro-gynecologists would suggest that the number of c-sections should be reduced and I wonder how many women are made partially or completely incontinent by going through a natural birth? If you could provide this data, we could all make a more informed decision.

    • Posted By: galbert74 @ 01/25/2008 12:33:37 PM

      I can say that I gave birth naturally to my son 10 years ago. I did not have any complications and I was never incontinent. Many doctors recommend women practice Kegal exercises before and after giving birth to prevent this condition. If you do not exercise these muscles then weakened function will occur causing incontinence.

      • Posted By: applz4three @ 01/25/2008 1:21:36 PM

        I've been doing pelvic floor strengthening exercises for 10 years (my kids are 9 and 10) and it hasn't helped a bleeping bit. Bottom line is my body could not handle a vaginal delivery of a baby that was almost 9 pounds. I wish all of you high-horse superior "Well I didn't have any complications" people would shut up. People are different, not everyone is the same. Let that sink it. If I could have had the perfect birth I would have. I wanted natural childbirth. I educated myself, I went to childbirth classes. But I wish someone had said "Wow, that baby is huge, you need a c-section". But no one knew and my child and myself were NOT the better for it.

        • Posted By: homebirthmum @ 01/25/2008 11:46:48 PM

          The research shows that is is PREGNANCY not vaginal birth that leads to one becoming incontinent.

          • Posted By: dekeyje @ 01/29/2008 9:13:59 AM

            I agree with this - I had 2 c-sections and have the same exact problems as my sister-in-law who had two vaginal (but with epidural) births.

  • Posted By: LGreen101 @ 01/29/2008 9:09:44 AM

    I am so tired of the portrayl of c-sections as a "choice." After 28 hours of hard labor (on my own) with the help of a doula and my husband, the best solution was to do a c-section. My daughter was 9 lbs, 8 oz and unable to get into the birth canal. The c-section was the best solution for by my daughter and me (who was in distress). Before jumping to judge someone else's situation, I encourage the natural birth advocates to walk in my shoes. I'm glad other women were able to have more natural birth experiences, but that's not always a choice as these types of programs present. It's a complicated matter and has to do with a number of factors -- the mother's weight, bone structure, etc. And what's most important to me is not how she arrived - but that both of us are healthy.

  • Posted By: LGreen101 @ 01/29/2008 9:03:39 AM

    I am continually distressed by the portrayal of c-sections as "elective." After 28 hours of hard labor which I endured with the help of a doula and my husband, I had no choice but to have a c-section. My daughter was 9 lbs, 8 oz, and was unable to move into the birth canal. While she was doing fine, I was the one in distress. It was not part of my or my docotor's preferred birth plan, but it was the best solution given the circumstance. Programs and comments which do not take into account the necessity for this operation are clearly biased and irresponsible. Before jumping to judge, I encourage natural birth advocates to try walking in my shoes for a change. I would have loved to have had another "choice" of delivery, but due to the circumstances, I didn't have another "choice." And what's most important to me, is not how both my daughters arrived, it's that all of us are healthy.

  • Posted By: trinie @ 01/29/2008 7:50:42 AM

    As a certifeid nurse-midwife, my goal is to help women experience the most satisfying birth. While prioritizing the safety component, we empower women to make choices and goals using a birth plan.
    By offereing 24 hours by each midwife, we provide continuity, but limit unnecessary interventions, inductions and stimulation for convenience as we are there for each woman. As women reach or modify their goals with our support and guidance, most stretch their self esteem and authentic self.
    Pain is not pleasant but using diversional activities and relaxation techniques can be managed and worked through successfully.
    In our efforts to promote safety, in some cases (when necessary) C/Sections are a tool to achieve the best outcome of healthy baby and healthy mother.
    As we strive to keep Birth is the natural, low risk experience it usually is, hospital births with midwives offers an empowering low risk, high support birth using alternative pain relief ideas to achieve their goals, packaged with access to timely interventions as needed for the unexpected concerns.
    Women must educate themselves on choices and options as shown so well in the movie.
    We're excited that the movie will be shown February 26, 2008 in Kalamazoo, Michigan.

  • Posted By: licard @ 01/28/2008 10:05:29 PM

    Sorry -giving birth IS painful an bloody-and C sections are a fine alternative to vaginal labor! I only did that once-it was AWFUL-the rest of my babies were sections-MUCH BETTER! All the BS in this article about low birth rate all of my boys were C sections and over 8 pounds! Also-no other issues! The crazy natural birth granola psychos need to stop pushing their views on others. People who WANT to do natural birth should
    do it- but leave the rest of us alone!

  • Posted By: DoulaKim @ 01/28/2008 10:46:56 AM

    As a Doula, I've seen several births that ended in sections because of the 'cascade of interventions' mentioned above. Where doctors were too impatient to wait for the natural course of labour and the doctor's clocks were ticking. These women, though happy they had a healthy baby at the end, were disappointed they did not have the birth they wanted. It is disappointing when doctors can't trust in the natural process that is birth.
    But I think the key to women feeling great about their birth is choice. The freedom to make their choices and not be bullied into interventions that may not be necessary. The freedom to make informed decisions and to be given all the information before decisions are made.

  • Posted By: maxhealth51 @ 01/25/2008 1:10:48 PM

    Hey rio grande, did you make it to happy hour on time after getting you baby cut from your womb? Glad to hear it fit your schedule that afternoon. The only voodoo on this topic is when a women becomes demonized for making the choice to NOT have a baby with drugs or c- section. Follow th money, if dr. smith gets paid more for a instead of b, why not just tell the mother lay back and relax while I guide you through this terrible process called birth. Its a liar selling lies for profit and your buying out of fear, pain, and vanity.

    • Posted By: pnut12800 @ 01/25/2008 1:23:23 PM

      I never thought I could read Newsweek and see a more ignorant comment than the last one I had to post a reply to. Do you realize how ignorant you sound when you ask if rio grande was in the "bar for happy hour after having her baby ripped from her womb?" If you're going to make a case for something, at least do it in an educated and "let's have a friendly debate" way rather than making these comments that make you sound more ignorant than I can even explain. Again, this comment just goes to show your education level or,rather, lack thereof. Is that what they teach down on the farm?

      • Posted By: Farmmomof4 @ 01/26/2008 9:50:57 AM

        The only comment more ignorant than that of maxhealth51 is yours (pnut12800) I am from down on the farm and continue to live on the farm. I am educated and I am somehow managing to raise 4 wonderful and smart children. 2 born from c-sections and 2 vaginally. My first c-section was 18 years ago today and was caused by a doctor who was wanting to get back to the game to tv, then I had two vaginal births and my fourth was an emergency c-section, Thank God Dr. Mark Grant was there. He tried to let me have a vaginal birth but after several hours of labor he decided it was time for a c-section and wanted it immediately. My daughter was delievered 6+ weeks early 4 1/2 lbs and beautiful. She was born with a true knot in the cord and had I delieved vaginally she would have only had a 5% chance to life. I can not advocate one type of experience over another. I believe it is an extremely personal choice. My sister-in-law chooses to schedule her c-sections and I support that decisision becuase it the right one for her since her first pregnancy ended at 4 months and was a very tramatic experience for her. Now with her being able to schedule her c-sections she feels like she is in control and has 4 successful pregnancys NEVER were her c-sections schedule for her convience they were scheduled when the doctor knew that there would be NO RISK to the child. I believe we should support each other in the decisions we make, we don't have to agree but should always be ther for support.

        • Posted By: pnut12800 @ 01/28/2008 8:56:44 AM

          Okay...before you think I'm some advocate for only vaginal deliveries and/or home births, you need to read my original post below and know my story before you go on a rant about how you birthed your children or how your sister-in-law chose to birth her babies. I'm an advocate for whatever gets the baby here safest. I myself have had two C-sections (again, you need to read my original post below for the scoop) and don't care how children get here....just so long as they get here. I'm simply fighting back against people who are so radical about home births and saying that there is no other way.

      • Posted By: Farmmomof4 @ 01/26/2008 10:33:09 AM

        The only comment more ignorant than that of maxhealth51 is yours (pnut12800) I am from down on the farm and continue to live on the farm. I am educated and I am somehow managing to raise 4 wonderful and smart children. 2 born from c-sections and 2 vaginally. My first c-section was 18 years ago today and was caused by a doctor who was wanting to get back to the game to tv, then I had two vaginal births and my fourth was an emergency c-section, Thank God Dr. Mark Grant was there. He tried to let me have a vaginal birth but after several hours of labor he decided it was time for a c-section and wanted it immediately. My daughter was delievered 6+ weeks early 4 1/2 lbs and beautiful. She was born with a true knot in the cord and had I delieved vaginally she would have only had a 5% chance to life. I can not advocate one type of experience over another. I believe it is an extremely personal choice. My sister-in-law chooses to schedule her c-sections and I support that decisision becuase it the right one for her since her first pregnancy ended at 4 months and was a very tramatic experience for her. Now with her being able to schedule her c-sections she feels like she is in control and has 4 successful pregnancys NEVER were her c-sections schedule for her convience they were scheduled when the doctor knew that there would be NO RISK to the child. I believe we should support each other in the decisions we make, we don't have to agree but should always be ther for support.

  • Posted By: AlabamaBirth @ 01/25/2008 11:07:48 AM

    Last I checked we live in America and that gives us choices. I respect everyone's right to whatever kind of delivery they "choose" to have. All of these comments which go overboard on which delivery they stand behind is 9 times out 10 because of either a really bad experience or a really great experience. All of our experiences are going to be different and should be respected. Myself, I had every intention on giving birth vaginally but my body and unborn child did not cooperate. I ended up having 2 healthy baby boys by two separate c-sections. I too was able to touch and talk to both my new borns and only stayed 2 days in the hospital. I know some women aren't as lucky and I don't say any of these things as if I were saying, "ha ha in your face"; I offer it only as my experiences. I know childbirth is the greatest experience a woman will ever have and I believe it should be her choice (unless for medical reasons she can't) on how she decides to experience it. I don't know if our differences are because of our doctors we choose, the hospitals we end up in, or if it's just the difference in our bodies, probably a combination of all. I do know that we at least are all thankful, no matter what kind of delivery we have, when the end result is a healthy baby. And no one can say that one delivery method is always more safe than the other, there are healthy children all over the world that were delivered by c-section, with drugs vaginally, and without drugs vaginally and there are horrible stories of complications and death from each method. Bottom line, giving birth is the most wonderful experience, make it the experience YOU want no matter which method you choose or is medically necessary for you and your baby. Women's bodies are different, our pregnancy's are different and our unborn children are different; more support from other women is what we need, not judgement. A healthy baby (and mother), no matter which delivery method, should be everyone's only concern and it should be guilt free.

    • Posted By: randomperson @ 01/28/2008 12:06:13 AM

      I totally agree. I have a very similar story, and I struggled after my son's birth because it didn't go the way I wanted. But I realized it is only the end result that really matters: a healthy baby and mom.

  • Posted By: klamm @ 01/25/2008 10:25:06 AM

    As an early "natural childbirth" proponent (30 years ago) I am very dissapointed in the direction our women have taken regarding childbirth...have we learned nothing? What happend to becoming knowledgable and involved, beyone the basic childbirth classes? Every time I hear that someone had a c-section, I later find out they *also* had an epidural or an induction (or both) and it's clear to me, these are tools that lead to a c-section. Women, WAKE UP! don't be afraid of the "pain" of childbirth...learn how to manage it and deliver a beautiful baby with the strength of your own body! I am an average framed woman who has delievere 4 9+lb babies naturally (one at home, the rest in birthing room environments). Of course, there are situations where intervention is needed, but I'm convinced it has become overused.

    • Posted By: applz4three @ 01/25/2008 12:17:20 PM

      I'm so happy your body could handle it, but also being an average frame woman I SHOULD NOT have delivered my almost 9 lb son vaginally. It almost killed both of us. I still have nerve damage and incontinence that will only get worse as I age. (I was 25 when I had him) So I'm glad your vagina was big enough ,alas mine was not and I will live with it for the rest of my life.

      • Posted By: homebirthmum @ 01/25/2008 11:52:41 PM

        Applz I'm sorry that you have been made to believe your body can't handle a 9 pound baby. I have to ask.. Were you given an epidural? Were you lying on your back during pushing? Both of these things can make it harder to give birth (to any size baby). This is why natural birth (and homebirth) has a higher success rate for giving birth to bigger babies. My midwife has "caught" 10 pound babies from small framed mothers. (I had a 9 pounder and I am not big). But I had a water birth.. no drugs.. and I was on all fours during pushing (which opens the pelvis 30% more.

        • Posted By: randomperson @ 01/27/2008 11:53:33 PM

          It is not a fact that any size woman can vaginally deliver any size baby. For some people, it has nothing to do with their mental state, how they were lying, or whether they received medication. I realize that a baby's head can narrow for passage through the birth canal, but it can only go so far. I would rather not have a baby with any mental or physical trauma from trying to fit through the canal when it couldn't. I know all about how it is considered "natural" to deliver this way, that our ancestors did it for eons. The fact is, a lot more of those, along with their babies, also died in childbirth. I'm sure plenty of them "believed" they could handle any part of childbirth too.

    • Posted By: applz4three @ 01/25/2008 12:44:36 PM

      Enter Your CommentMy first child (daughter) weighed 7 lbs 6.5 ounces and took 4 days with contractions 5 minutes apart to have. I was exhausted at the end of it and weak from not being able to keep down and food or liquids. She was born vaginally with minimal tearing and I had few complications afterward. My 8 lb 9 oz son should not have been born vaginally. He was too big for my pelvis (I also have an average frame). It almost killed both of us because no one did an ultrasound in my last few weeks of pregnancy despite the fact that I was much larger than with my daughter and if I stood in line too long in the grocery store my leg would burn and feel numb from pressure being put on nerves because of his size. Despite having an episiotomy the size of Alaska, he came out blue and not breathing and his collar bone snapped while he was being pulled and pushed out of me. So I'm glad your vagina and pelvis was big enough to handle it, alas mine was not. But keep in mind that even people about the same size can be vastly different internally. Nine years later I still have problems caused by this traumatic event. They will only get worse as I age. And I had a husband that was insensitive enough to mention that my equipment wasn't what it used to be before we had children. (Duh). I'm glad you were genetically blessed, but please don't belittle those of us that aren't.

  • Posted By: Ellie Gunn @ 01/27/2008 3:37:20 PM

    I was a homebirth midwife for 10 years in Oregon, from 1975-1985. I've seen "The Business of Being Born" and read some of the comments below. Although I have a lot to say about the subject, I think the most important thing to remember is that as each woman is a unique person, so is each labor. To me the ideal labor is one in which the woman is able to be as comfortable as possible (home or clinic or hospital) can have whomever she needs for support, and advocacy, has practiced breathing, letting go, surrendering, etc., and is prepared to accept emergency support, if necessary. While many readers may agree with me, the words "if necessary" are the current stumbling point. For some women, or pregnancies, a C-Section is inevitable. I would suggest a focus on what kind of pregnancy and labor support women need who want a vaginal birth. Is the Doula movement helpful? If Lamaze is losing participants maybe new approaches are needed. The Home Birth Movement in the 1970's began because women refused to be tied down, drugged and separated from their family. Hospitals responded with birthing rooms when they lost customers. How about an online listing of C-Sections rates for physicians? If women started choosing doctors with lower rates, as long as they were compatible in other ways, maybe a new message could be sent.

  • Posted By: Ellie Gunn @ 01/27/2008 3:34:48 PM

    I was a homebirth midwife for 10 years in Oregon, from 1975-1985. I've seen "The Business of Being Born" and read some of the comments below. Although I have a lot to say about the subject, I think the most important thing to remember is that as each woman is a unique person, so is each labor. To me the ideal labor is one in which the woman is able to be as comfortable as possible (home or clinic or hospital) can have whomever she needs for support, and advocacy, has practiced breathing, letting go, surrendering, etc., and is prepared to accept emergency support, if necessary. While many readers may agree with me, the words "if necessary" are the current stumbling point. For some women, or pregnancies, a C-Section is inevitable. I would suggest a focus on what kind of pregnancy and labor support women need who want a vaginal birth. Is the Doula movement helpful? If Lamaze is losing participants maybe new approaches are needed. The Home Birth Movement in the 1970's began because women refused to be tied down, drugged and separated from their family. Hospitals responded with birthing rooms when they lost customers. How about an online listing of C-Sections rates for physicians? If women started choosing doctors with lower rates, as long as they were compatible in other ways, maybe a new message could be sent.

  • Posted By: LynnGriesemer @ 01/27/2008 1:08:20 PM

    I'm sorry that there is such a backlash and criticism about birth. A homebirth is not some statement against hospitals and the C-section rate or some defensive measure; it is (or should be) an uplifting of the dignity of women and babies and therefore should be looked upon as a positive experience. -Lynn M. Griesemer, author of YOUR BODY, YOUR BIRTH: SECRETS FOR A SATISFYING AND SUCCESSFUL BIRTH. www.yourbo

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