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  • Posted By: LynnGriesemer @ 01/27/2008 1:06:51 PM

    I'm sorry that there is such a backlash and criticism about birth. A homebirth is not some statement against hospitals and the C-section rate or some defensive measure; it is (or should be) an uplifting of the dignity of women and babies and therefore should be looked upon as a positive experience. -Lynn M. Griesemer, author of YOUR BODY, YOUR BIRTH: SECRETS FOR A SATISFYING AND SUCCESSFUL BIRTH. www.yourbo

  • Posted By: kriski1030 @ 01/26/2008 3:54:53 PM

    continued...

    I am NOT saying that choices should be taken away from women, I'm saying that in the 10-15 minute OB appts. women are not getting the information they need to make informed decisions.

    Did you also know that OBs across the country have been experimenting on mothers and babies using Cytotec and prostoglandins to induce labor (with or without their knowledge) and cause the death of many moms and babes due to hyperstimulation of the uterus? OBs have experimented on us since they got their hands into childbirth...remember DES for nausea that caused birth defects?

    If you look at the REAL history of obstetrics you will find that the maternal and neonatal mortality rates DID NOT decrease when they entered the scene and put women in hospitals. MANY women died of childbed fever because doctors didn't wash their hands! And maternal mortality rates were HIGHER. The greatest impact on mortality rates occured when sanitaion and antibiotics were introduced contrary to the popular belief that doctors have been the saviours of women in childbirth.

    There are SO many benefits for the baby to be born vaginally, barring a true emergency (ie. cord prolapse, placenta abruption, placenta previa, acreta, percreta, true fetal distress or TRUE CPD (overused by far), sometimes bad positioning of the baby). But there are NO benefits to an elective c-section for the baby unless medically necessary. And don't forget about the impact c-sections have on future pregancies for the mother: increased risks of stillbirth, placental problems, and uterine rupture.

    Primary elective c-sections should not be covered by insurance unless truly medically necessary. I do believe that women have the right to make an informed decision between repeat c/s and vbac however. But unfortunately doctors are coercing patients into believing that it doesn't matter how a baby is born and true informed consent is not happening in our hospitals today. VBAC bans and court ordered c-sections when a mother doesn't want one ARE happening and mother's choices ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY! THAT is what this documentary is about. If you haven't actually seen it, it is worth it!

    I will never have the opportunity to have a natural vaginal birth, because my uterus ruptured when I attempted a vbac at home with my third child. Luckily, I had a well-trained CPM and we went to the hospital and there are no health problem for me or my baby. I don't know why a mother would want to add additional risks to future pregnancies unless medically necessary. PLEASE educate yourself and your friends so that we can make informed decisions!

  • Posted By: RN in Illinois @ 01/26/2008 12:25:03 PM

    As a long time labor and delivery nurse, childbirth educator and perinatal outreach educator, I have spent years trying to help women experience the safest, most painfree birth they can while educating nurses about meeting the needs of mom, baby and family. I have always encouraged women to make choices that are right for them, while being safe for both mom and baby.
    I can tell you that labor induction and c/sections have literally skyrocketed since the 1970s for a variety of reasons: convenience for both mom and doctor, fear of litigation, fear of contractions (tocophobia), a disbelief that women's bodies can DO this, a loss of women's knowledge about what matters in the longest run. For example, pain in nearly every study recounting birth does not significantly affect satisfaction with the birth experience. It's been shown that having value and feeling cared about, having individual needs met and accomplishing goals are what determine long term satisfaction for women.
    No woman should suffer--that is why my classes and labor support also offer a variety of pain management techniques and meds if needed. However, those women who put it all into meds do often follow the cascade of interventions of complete bedrest, bladder caths, pitocin augmentation, lack of progress, surgical intervention. Those who listen to their bodies and move around or use other pain management tools remain able to urinate, squat, lean over, lunge--in other words, utilize their bodies in getting the baby born will usually report later that it was hard, often painful, exhilerating WORK--but they feel empowered and unbelievably strong. I wish every reader could see such a birth.
    Sometimes interventions are necessary for a healthy outcome, but the numbers should be nowhere near the present ones. We fool ourselves as a nation of women who buy these numbers. Women need to be increasingly aware of the risks of induction and c/sections, that insurance and litigation drive a push to reduce vbac. A rise in C/sections is also very associated with the increase in placenta accreta after even one prior c/section. As a new nurse in the 70s, the risk was about 1:19,000 that in the next pregnancy the placenta would actually grow into the uterine wall, possibly at the old scar. Today that risk is much higher because of the sheer numbers that are done. An excellent article in the green journal cautioned physicians to think before they did the first c/s....
    Thank you for one article that at least might make readers think.
    RN from Illinois

  • Posted By: minirunner @ 01/26/2008 12:09:49 PM

    I believe we should have respect for where each woman is in her life. However, It is sad how many women in our society fear birth, they mistrust their bodies and give their own right of birth to a doctor because they do not trust their bodies. True c-sections for REAL not medically created emergencies occur in at most 2% of cases so in a society with over 30% of births ending in c-section most women are defending c-sections that were unnecessary.

    women do not educate themselves about birth, the miracle of birth has been robbed from women, by doctors who instill fear and mistrust in women. Doctors who severely mistrust the process of birth try to control it and do so with fear and loathing toward the process.

    Birth is a natural part of a woman's life cycle, it is by far safer than driving your car down the street, which you do without a doctor sitting next to you waiting for you to get in an accident. We can only heal birth in this country if more women find faith instead of fear, if more women educate themselves instead of regurgitating the fear their doctor instilled in them about birth.

    America has one of the highest infant mortality and morbidity rates of industrialized nations, and those with significantly better statistics are those countries where 70% of births are attended by midwives, and 30% of births occur at home. Doctors work well in a true emergency, but when they are not needed during a natural, healthy labor, they create what they fear most.

    Knowledge is power. I used to fervently defend epidurals, induction, c-sections, hospital births. But then I opened my mind and researched extensively outside medial dogma about birth and I realized I didn't know anything about birth before, all I knew was the fear the medical community instills in women, but I had no other knowledge about birth and the type of birth I was defending.

    I have seen numerous home births, even those where shoulder dystocia occurs and they are amazing, miraculous births, very different from an incapacitated women laying in a hospital bed hooked up to a myriad of monitors, IV, epidural, catheterized with no actual involvement in the birth of her own baby.

    Others may disagree, but you don't really know until you've seen the other side, you can't really have an opinion about something unless you know both sides.

  • Posted By: ameriabrasil @ 01/26/2008 8:46:11 AM

    I think many are missing the point here. There should not be this "competition" feeling, or one side feeling like the other is judging them and vice versa. The fact remains is that in other developed nations, maternal and infant outcomes are BETTER than in the USA! I think we all do want the very best for our selves, and friends who are/become mothers, as well as for all babies born. We all know people from both "sides of the fence" that have done fine, are great mothers, love their children and seemingly do not have any negative outcomes, so it makes it easier to say that either way is fine, if that is what the mother wanted. But, I do believe we ought to open our eyes to the status of mother's and baby's health in this nation... we are ranked about 40 or so on the World Health Organization's rankings of maternal and infant outcomes. That is a big, scary surprise to me, in this nation where we spend more on healthcare than any other nation, and most people have access to said healthcare. If you look at the 40 nations that have better outcomes than the US, they treat pregnancy quite differently, with the use of more midwives, who often assist at home, and have a lower c-section rate. These practices simply make mom and baby more safe, which is what everyone says they want.

  • Posted By: egoliad206 @ 01/25/2008 10:58:33 AM

    My doctor decided to perform a c-secion after only 8hours of labor. Neither I or the baby was in danger, they just didn't like that I was moving along quickly. My family thinks its because the doctors wanted to be home before 10:00 that evening. I was fine with the c-section, but I don't know if they did it for medical reasons or because of just plane old time management. They eanted to go home. The doctor never saw me before the c-section. They only talked to my nurse via phone.

    • Posted By: riogrande @ 01/25/2008 12:35:01 PM

      I know what you need!. You need a conceirge Obstetrician who sits by your side and waits until it is over, meanwhile entertaining you with stories and dance. Just pay him 5000 dollars!
      Wake up and smell the coffee. Your doctor gets a pittance for the services and to add insult to injury, he has to share half of that with malpractice insurance company!

      • Posted By: homebirthmum @ 01/25/2008 11:49:00 PM

        Which is why she needs a homebirth midwife. :)

  • Posted By: jk22 @ 01/25/2008 2:40:11 PM

    the 30 percent is also from women who have their second child by cesarean because their first was born that way. Also, an elective and planned cesarean section is much safer than an emergency one. So many women go into labor and 24 hours later, the baby still isn't coming out. If your body avoids this trauma all together than the recovery is shorter and risks are lessened.

    And having a baby in a bathtub seems like a really dumb idea. women need to think first about the health of their child. that is very reckless.

    • Posted By: homebirthmum @ 01/25/2008 11:40:09 PM

      Both my children were born at home in my bathtub. It was a WELL RESEARCHED plan.. not reckless. My baby's health is what's important.. and according to the research my baby was SAFEST being born at home with a trained midwife (CPM) Certified Professional Midwife.

      A planned cesarean is not always safer than an emergency one. It depends on the "emergency".. many women have had emergency c-sections for "failure to progress". In actuality this is NOT a REAL emergency. Us homebirthers call "failure to progress" .. "failure to wait". But when Hospitals have a "policy" that you can't go past 24 hours.. well look out. Hope that you didn't arrive at 1cm because now you have 24 hours to get to 10. BUT if you show up at 5cm you now have 24 hours to go from 5cm to 10. Doesn't really make sense does it?

    • Posted By: susanlc @ 01/25/2008 4:21:20 PM

      My recovery from my planned c-section was incredibly easier and shorter, and better for my ability to care for my baby than was my first, vaginal delivery, which resulted in a 3 month-long infected tear for me. The planned c-section was such a good, happy experience, comparatively, both during and after with my baby.

  • Posted By: kavolier @ 01/25/2008 3:25:40 PM

    I am ashamed and distressed to read this article and many of these comments regarding a woman's choice for birth. I myself am a well-educated woman and I have done my research. I do not see a reason to condemn a mother for her choice - if they want to schedule it out, fine. If they like the unpredictability of it, fine. If they want to deliver at home, fine. For me personally, I would never dream of giving birth at home and without a doctor present ??? but I would also never, NEVER, tell a mom that her decision is wrong. Yes, perhaps C-section rates are too high and the risks are different than a vaginal birth - but really aren't we missing the point! - THE BABY IS WHAT MATTERS!

    I will also say that I am due in April and this is my first child ??? I plan on trying vaginally and having an epidural. (I will also stipulate that I have an underlying condition that may make things difficult to give birth vaginally, so I am not opposed to a C-section if necessary.) My sole concern is for the health and welfare of my baby boy. Each day that draws me closer to his anticipated due date is a joyous celebration that there is one less day to wait.

    I have had three friends give birth in the last two years: 2 tried vaginal births and had to have emergency c-sections. Yes they had a longer recovery, but all (mothers and babies) turned out beautifully and healthy. Both of the csec moms have been made to feel as if they somehow failed their child because they couldn't deliver vaginally ??? even though both were medically necessary. Would this have been different if they'd been scheduled? Maybe, but who's to say that a scheduled csection isn't a valid birth? Just because you didn't labor like your mother did, or struggle like your neighbor did, does not mean that you aren't a good mom and that you are somehow not a ???real??? woman. You still carried that baby for 9 months, you still worried about what being a Mommie would really mean, and you still loved that little baby more than anything else.

    I am not one to say that my choice is the best choice - but it is the right choice FOR ME. If we, as women, could just accept that just like each woman and each pregnancy is different - each birth is special and amazing - regardless of how that child comes into the world, it is the way it was meant to happen - I think we'd all be better off.

    • Posted By: rtalmage @ 01/25/2008 8:52:25 PM

      You have an interesting point when you say "the baby is all that matters"- because it isn't. Of course a healthy baby is important, but a healthy baby needs to be loved and tended to by a healthy mother. You can't imagine how it feels to have a "good" birth (although I hope you do!).. Not neccesarily a short, painless, easy birth, but an empowering, positive birth. So many women are traumatized and dejected following "modern birth". You need to understand that your csec friends felt sad after their births not because of their csecs, but because they felt victimized, scared and downright traumatized by their childbirth experience. This is how so many women end up feeling. You're also right when you say that each birth is amazing and special. However, that type of birth doesn't just spontaneously happen. As a woman who has had three natural labors - one scary and complicated and two incredible - I can speak from experience. You can't imagine how incredible and empowering it feels to have a "good" birth. In a "good birth" you are continually surrounded by people who are there to support you physically as well as emotionally- not stare at the fetal monitor and tell you what you already know you're feeling. I guarantee you will not get this from your doctor. In a "good" labor you are in control of your surroundings - peaceful music, candlelight, no one bothering you unnecessarily. You will not get this at the hospital unless you work to make it happen. In a complicated birth situation it is imperative to have medical assistance. But don't assume having a midwife means having Laura Ingalls show up at your bedside. Midwives are experienced, well-trained professionals who "catch babies" at the hospital as well as at home. I have seen Rikki Lake's movie, and as a woman preparing to give birth you owe it to yourself to go see it.

    • Posted By: susanlc @ 01/25/2008 4:16:49 PM

      Right on, sister! You did your research, you made your decision. Labor and delivery is a brief moment (albeit important) in the lives of a mom and baby. There are so many zillions of other decisions (and shared moments) a parent makes throughout a lifetime with their child, it later seems amazing we dwell so much on this one, and that we think it has so much impact on a child's life (other than the obvious potential health impact). I've had two babies, one vaginally, one by c-section. They are strong memories for me, but they are Over, and were over so relatively quickly. Why we judge this decision so much as women, and judge each other, and feel so guilty or weak if we do things that are criticied isa mystery to me. A baby is born healthy. The mother survives with her health intact: Hurray! Move on. May your lives together be blessed and wonderful. B

  • Posted By: Mteule @ 01/25/2008 5:29:44 PM

    Hey guys! All of us are here because someone gave birth to us by whichever way. If they had said NO to having childern, we wouldn't be here whether we like being here. I am a man and I am happy that my ganged up to bring me around, whether it was ceaserian or natural. So hey, the lady that seems to swear never to have any children, women have told me how having children brings an unspeakable joy that not only really defines and emphsizes their reason for being here on planet earth but also opens them up to a whole new experince that nothing else can give. Note: One American looked at one African with 12 children but without enough money to feed them a he said "Poor African!" and an African looked at one American with
    lots of money but without children to spend on the money and he said "Poor American!" Therefore: Ceaserian or natural, poor or rich, love it or hate it, American or African, I think it is worth having at least one child is worth it. Good luck or God bless!

  • Posted By: kornreich @ 01/25/2008 11:54:50 AM

    Women were having babies for centuries before hospitals and women were dying in childbirth for centuries before hospitals in much higher percentages than die in the United States today. I can tell you that my wife would have bled to death after giving birth to either of our children had she not given birth in a hospital where surgery could be performed IMMEDIATELY. She had a placenta "increta" -- which is when the placenta grows into the uterus. This situation is virtually undetectable before birth -- and if the placenta doesn't detach, the usual tendency is for the attendant to pull on the umbilical cord, which would then tear the uterus open and the mother would most likely bleed to death without an immediate hysterectomy. I thank God that my wife was giving birth in a hospital and a place with a Level III NICU.

    I cannot understand this emphasis on returning to a "natural" time of higher maternal mortality and infant mortality. The fact that some people have "complication-free" home births cannot overcome the fact that many have problems that require IMMEDIATE attention or they will become fatal. And I don't even want to think about what happens to the child born at a home birth who has an APGAR score of 1 at 1 minute.

    I could go on and on about this, but I believe the percentages show that it is clearly safer for both the mother and child if the birth is in a hospital with appropriate equipment and personnel standing by to deal with the emergencies.

    • Posted By: susanlc @ 01/25/2008 5:09:30 PM

      My good friend almost bled to death after her homebirth because she couldn't deliver the placenta, nor could her midwife. She was unconscious from blood loss by the time she reached the hospital, five minutes away. Her life was saved there. I am so glad her sons have her here to grow up with.

  • Posted By: BrightMama @ 01/25/2008 10:55:30 AM

    Giving birth to your child should be the most empowering moment of your life. We as Women need to reclaim our bodies, minds and souls. We have the right to decide how our children should be birthed. Women have birthed babies into this world since the beginning if time. Women should be honored. We are the creators. Birth is a Rite of Passage no Woman should be denied.

    • Posted By: susanlc @ 01/25/2008 5:01:21 PM

      I think this notion of birthing as a way to feel empowered, like a Creator having a Rite of Passage, etc. is putting waaay too much on labor and delivery as a way of making a woman feel good about herself. I just thought it was awesome to meet my babies. It was about meeting Them, for crying out loud, not Me. I've given birth twice. I was so happy and grateful to have two healthy daughters. I did not feel empowered. I didn't feel my body, mind or soul needed reclaiming. I decided how they would be birthed.

    • Posted By: davidferdi @ 01/25/2008 11:24:04 AM

      Enter Your Comment
      Although, women carries babies to term, it takes part of a man to CREATE a baby!!!
      Just because a woman births a baby doesn't mean she should be honored. (haven't you seen any child abuse cases on the news) Honorable women should be honored.

      • Posted By: hval @ 01/25/2008 12:07:00 PM

        How right you are, sir. I am a mother and a stepmother. I absoloutely agree with you. Giving birth doesn't make a woman a hero or a saint or even a nice person. It is how we, as women and men, raise our children into the world that matters.

    • Posted By: davidferdi @ 01/25/2008 11:16:38 AM

      Although a woman carries a baby to term, It takes part of a man to create a baby!!! A woman delivers and hopefully nurtures a baby!!!
      Honarable women should be honered...

  • Posted By: shannon d @ 01/25/2008 4:40:27 PM

    This is exactly why I don't want to have any children. I swear the mommyhood club is the most obnoxious bunch of women. You are all competative to a destructive degree. I just don't know if this is a road I really have a desire to go down. Um, who CARES how you gave birth? Is this what you mommy's sit around and talk about at your "playdates" ? I know a friend who HAD to have a C-section. She HAD to. She was 98 lbs, smallest thing you've ever seen, and had a 10 lbs baby in her. Do the physics. After like, 36 hours of labor with NO descending from the baby, she and the baby would have died without a C-section. PERIOD. No one in MY group of friends has ever made her feel bad about it. We're all glad she's o.k. and her baby is o.k.

    Get over yourselves. Take a look at all of the poor children suffering from cancer or children that have lost a parent to a disease and vice-versa. There are so many things that can hit a family AFTER a mother actually gives birth to a child. Be grateful for the time you get with your kids. I think it's great that Ricki Lake had a spectacular birth. What if her child was code blue? Not breathing? Unconscious? Would she have wished there was advanced medical treatment available?

  • Posted By: riogrande @ 01/25/2008 12:48:01 PM

    You want to do an article scandalizing some surgical procedure? go for breast augmentation, tummy tuck or vaginal rejuvenation.
    Please leave C/sections alone.
    We have two kids both born by scheduled C/section. I was up and walking the evening of the surgery and the whole experience was in one word, PERFECT. And my sex life is GREAT (and no urinary incontinence)thanks to undamaged equipment !!
    If I decide to have another child, I know which way to go. Definitely not the voodoo humbug of natural birth!

    • Posted By: melliek @ 01/25/2008 12:58:10 PM

      What this article and research is showing is that there is increased risk, and a significant increase, for both mothers and infants with C/S. Being to posh to posh increases the risk to both of them!. Natural childbirth is not voodoo. It is the way your body and nature intended you to have a baby. You body knows how to do it correctly, not the doctors.

      Are there reasons for C/S. of course, but not just because. There should be a reason other than I am scared, I want it planned, etc.

      What women really need is education and support that thier bodies are not lemons, they know how to have a baby perfectly, not according to some text book, and we need less fear and more support for trusting our bodies.

      • Posted By: susanlc @ 01/25/2008 4:39:05 PM

        Actually, current research and review of literature shows that there is no statistically significant difference in risk between vaginal delivery and planned -c-section delivery. The risk of c-section is only somewhat higher when it's an emergency...when those two statistics are lumped together it skews the data on planned c-sections.

  • Posted By: maxhealth51 @ 01/25/2008 1:04:27 PM

    rio grande-it sounds like your the kind of person that would love to never pee or poo. Do you have a maid ? have you ever washed clothes ? The only thing voodoo about natural child birth is that your at the bar having happy hour after having your baby cut out of your womb.

    • Posted By: susanlc @ 01/25/2008 4:28:56 PM

      This comment makes this person sound potentially violent and possibly insane. It scares me.

  • Posted By: nickatnite @ 01/21/2008 11:29:35 PM

    I'm a male so you can stop reading if my unexperienced viewpoint bothers you. The human race has been delivering children naturally for thousands of years. Its only recently that C-sections have become popularized not by the mothers, but by the hospitals. Why? Its because America has become a place where people's greed is more important than their morals. We make money off of each other for profit without regard for our fellow human being. This is yet another issue why I am ashamed to call myself American. Hospitals are no different than corporations trying to earn a profit. The only answer to this and many other issues is Nationalized Health Care where doctors are rewarded on merit, not how many expensive procedures they can crank out. -Nick

    • Posted By: tinacolada97 @ 01/22/2008 10:40:42 PM

      It's not because of your "unexperienced viewpoint" but your misguided historical view. Birthing is much safer compared to even fifty years ago. Mortality rates for infants AND the mothers was MUCH higher. Not birth defects, not scarring or a little pain for a few weeks, but DEATH, as it still happens in 3rd world countries. So excuse me, but "natural" isn't exactly how I plan on doing things.

      • Posted By: emma22 @ 01/22/2008 11:06:29 PM

        according to the World Health Organizaiton, the United States has the 3rd worst morbidity and mortality rates of all developed nations. So death still happens in our great USA and there are many poor outcomes that are a result of unneccassary intervetions because someone does not want ot wait around for labor to do its thing which can take a long time and even cause a doctor to have to delivery a baby in the middle of the night. So yes there are some good things out there that have improved outcomes but many have not!! For instance, continuous electronic fetal monitoring...has been used for decades yet never proved to reduce mortality and morbidity rates; what has it done?? increased intervetions rates, and increased lawsuits...

        • Posted By: saradawn @ 01/24/2008 5:24:36 PM

          Are you looking at WHO's 2006 data? Because according to their 2006 Neonatal and Perinatal Mortality data (http://www.who.int/making_pregnancy_safer/publications/neonatal.pdf) the U.S. has one of the lowest perinatal mortality rates in the world.

          • Posted By: Lalo @ 01/25/2008 3:52:40 PM

            I think he was referring to maternal mortality, http://www.who.int/making_pregnancy_safer/publications/neonatal.pdf, in which case we have one of the worse of any industrialized nation.

    • Posted By: empetaan @ 01/25/2008 10:40:57 AM

      This not a case of physicians or hospitals trying to make a profit. Being the wife of an ob/gyn and mother of four, I know this from first hand experience. I have been with my husband through medical school, two residencies, and a fellowship. A total of 12 years of school and training (not even counting his undergraduate years). While doing his residency training, he had to work 2 jobs, in addtion to his regular residency training, totaling about 90-120 hours a week, just to support his family. My husband cares tremendously about his patients and only wants what is best for them. However, beacuse of America's tort system, and greedy lawyers, many physicans opt to do c-sections to prevent being sued by their own patients. You see if they don't elect to do a c-section and something does go wrong with the baby, then many patients will hire a litigation attorney and sue their ob/gyn. This is whay our country now faces a shortage in many areas of the country of ob/gyn physicians. They can no longer afford to pay the high malpractice insurance that has resulted from so many lawsuits. This is a big reason for why America's c-section rate is so much higher that other countries, not because of greedy doctors or hospitals.

  • Posted By: bowona @ 01/25/2008 12:08:54 PM

    doctors get paid more for a c section than that of normal birth....

    • Posted By: riogrande @ 01/25/2008 12:37:20 PM

      yeah, 25 cents more!

      • Posted By: Lalo @ 01/25/2008 2:58:19 PM

        Actually it's between $6,000 and $10,000 more depending on what else is done.

  • Posted By: ashleyaddams @ 01/25/2008 1:02:06 PM

    I think HEALTHY women who have C-Sections are missing out on the TRUE magical feeling of Birth I felt EVERYTHING I have 2 kids I weighed 98 pounds when I got pregnant with the first and 101 with the second I cut the Caffine Cigs and Sugar out I stood up and squatted when I had my son 4 hours of labor NO DOCTOR only Mid-wives NO DRUGS. Too many mothers want to numb the experiance I want to LIVE IT. The fact that you even THINK you damage your Cervix or any other female organs is hog wash, the body can do amazing things and I don't think Mary had any problems delivering Jesus naturally. Also my sex life hasen't changed 1 bit and one other little thing I HAVE NOT 1 SCAR or STRECH MARK I am 36 years old Top that C-Section Mommies.

    • Posted By: pnut12800 @ 01/25/2008 1:06:22 PM

      This entire comment shows your ignorance and insensitivity to those who have no choice but to have a C-section.

      • Posted By: raburk @ 01/25/2008 1:25:19 PM

        No scar or stretch marks? Good for you. Perhaps that is because all your ugliness is on your INSIDE. Your lungs are black from the cigs and your concluding remark clearly shows you have a scar on your soul and a hole in your heart.

        • Posted By: ashleyaddams @ 01/25/2008 1:29:35 PM

          Did you READ my statement I said HEALTHY WOMEN WHO CHOOSE to have C-Sections are at risk Read the freakin article you crazy witch, and NATURAL CHILDBIRTH is FAR BETTER then the allternativ I hope you have a c-section and become the statistic you are making me to be.

          • Posted By: pnut12800 @ 01/25/2008 1:40:26 PM

            You didn't say, "Healthy women who CHOOSE to have C-sections." You said, "Healthy women who HAVE C-Sections." I was healthy when I lost my first baby at 24 weeks and had to have a C-section to deliver a one pound baby I couldn't deliver vaginally due to unforseen complications. What does that make me? Someone who "chose" to have a C-section? I can tell you this, I "chose" to have a C-section the second time just so I could have my beautiful daughter that I have today. Given the choice, I would do everything exactly the same just to have her. You should think about what you say and how you say it before you respond and/or post comments. You really sound completely ignorant.

            • Posted By: ashleyaddams @ 01/25/2008 1:49:40 PM

              Once you have a C-Section sweety you have to ALWAYS have it that way ask a medical doctor. You can not have a Vaginal Birth After you have had a C-Section they won't do it that is why they LOOK at your previous medical condition. I am truley sorry for you and your child but DON'T knock us who have NATURAL child birth and HEALTHY women would imply that you are HEALTHY to TERM

              • Posted By: pnut12800 @ 01/25/2008 2:28:56 PM

                Again....ignorance. Why do they have such a thing as a VBAC? Maybe you should read and/or ask a medical doctor. I can assure you I've educated myself with my history and conditions. If you'll read my original post regarding my story, you'll get the full scoop. I'm not knocking natural childbirth, I'm fighting back against those like you who are so adamant that there is no other way. I want you to realize sometimes there is no other way than to have a child via C-section.

              • Posted By: rubbernilly @ 01/25/2008 2:13:48 PM

                Negative, by all that I have heard/researched.

                If your uterus was incised vertically, they will not let you deliver vaginally, as that previous scar could rupture. If, on the other hand, your uterus is incised laterally, you *can* deliver vaginally the next time. The problem is that the incision on your uterus does not always match the way the doctor incised the skin, so unless the doctor can be *sure* of how you were incised originally (on your uterus), they are going to steer you to another c-section.

      • Posted By: ashleyaddams @ 01/25/2008 1:45:37 PM

        Did you even READ MY STATEMENT? I don't think you did because I said HEALTHY MOTHERS that choose C-Sections for what ever reason lets take BRITNEY SPEARS she had NO medical reason for having a C-Section other then she was scared that it would HURT(These are her words NOT MINE) I don't think it was necessary? DID YOU? I think if you MEDICALLY NEED A C-SECTION because of a health risk to mother or child then yes by all means HAVE A C-SECTION but if you have one because you want to pick your child's birthday or Because your scared of pain GROW UP life is Pain and Tears of Joy through Pain are wonderful. I am not ignorant I didn't ask your opinion about my STATEMENT.

    • Posted By: raburk @ 01/25/2008 1:23:06 PM

      No scar or stretch marks? Good for you. Perhaps that is because all your ugliness is on your INSIDE. Your lungs are black from the cigs, and your vindictive concluding comment clearly shows you have a scar on your soul and a hole in your heart.

  • Posted By: elisa32 @ 01/22/2008 12:20:45 PM

    One question would be: Why do women think they should have epidurals, c-sections, antibiotics, etc? Is it because we are definetely ignorant many times about what is happening to our bodies when we are pregnant and trust our doctors enough for them to say "don't worry, we'll take care of you" and "if you feel too much pain we can make it better" with all those things mentioned above. Why is no one teaching us women that giving birth is a natural process, that our bodies know how to do it. We are lead to believe that it is so painful we could not possibly stand it... but it is not true. Hospitals should definetely offer all of these options to women to want them, but they should also emphasize that all those things are not needed and we should not be made afraid and think that we have opt for all kinds of drugs to deliver a baby.

    • Posted By: tucket1 @ 01/25/2008 2:23:07 PM

      I'm not stupid I knew what was happening to my body when I was giving birth. I did it once , twice , three times. Once no drugs-horrible experience baby had distress after birth- Twice some drugs good experience healthy baby-third time- most drugs joy! healthiest baby

  • Posted By: rubbernilly @ 01/25/2008 10:20:16 AM

    I think that Block (who discussed changing the perception of birth from bloody and painful to one of a natural process) is on the right track. The key, IMO, is education and ownership of a pregnancy. For instance, my wife and I are expecting a child in 2 months. We have decided to go the natural path, and avoid as many interventions (and unnecessary post-delivery procedures) as possible. It is EXTREMELY difficult to find support for this sort of birth plan, leading my wife to change both OB and hospital to find a supportive environment.

    "Oh, honey, you don't get a badge for going through that labor, you know?"

    Or, "You know you get a baby at the end anyway, even if you get drugs, right?"

    But more than that, pay attention in your conversations with mothers who have delivered less-than-naturally... my wife and I found that in discussing our plans with these women (whoever they are in our lives - friends, co-workers, family), though they might agree that natural is better, they always exempt their own delivery because it was somehow special. Or different. Something specific to them precluded them delivering naturally.

    It comes down to education. Even breach babies, the one big indicator for C-Sections mentioned in the article, can be delivered naturally (my wife's father was a breach baby). Not to mention that there are methods and techniques to try to get a breach baby to turn. Don't get me wrong, there may well come a time for interventions and possibly even a C-section, but I think much of the reason for the rising number is (a) convenience for the mother and doctor (abominable), and (b) lack of education.

    And not only of the options and the repurcussions of those options, but also education of what parents will face in the delivery room. If you have not considered the possible outcomes, the possible dilemmas and choices you will face (and, yes, this means research), then the doctors and nurses are going to find that and exploit it as a weakness. Let's face it, if you haven't considered a question in the comfort of all the months leading up to the delivery, there is little chance that you are going to be in any position to make the best choice in the delivery room when you or your wife is in pain and the doctors are playing on your fears.

    Don't get me wrong, it doesn't have to be adversarial. Having bucked the "traditional" approach (and since when did natural birth plans become less than traditional?) all along as we prepare for the new addition to our family, my wife and I have had to constantly defend our decisions and fight for the birth experience we want. I may come across a bit strong in my tone, but the bottom line to the whole thing is that you have to educate yourself, own your pregnancy, own your birth plan, and know that you are doing the best thing for your baby.

    • Posted By: irunamuk @ 01/25/2008 10:48:17 AM

      Having seen first-hand the bullying, disrespect, and complete violation of a womans body, that happens to a woman delivering in a hospital. You dont come over in any way other than supportive of your wife. Stay strong and dont let any one push you around.

      • Posted By: tucket1 @ 01/25/2008 2:10:51 PM

        I gave birth in a hospital 3 times. I don't wake up screaming or have nightmares like irunamuk. I have seen first hand how women were treated with respect, dignity and compassion. Where the nurses and doctors were kind and soothing. Women were listened to and what they said or wanted was valued. I had an epy with my 3rd child and guess which birth I found more emotionally enjoyable. It was the best experience out of the three.

  • Posted By: Macy K @ 01/25/2008 11:15:19 AM

    I am a small-framed woman who has had two children born via c-section due to "unproductive labor". This hospital setting was not my choice. I had to go , albeit with my nurse-midwife, because my health insurance dictated where I would have coverage. My nurse-midwife was unable to attend me at home because HER liability insurance wouldn't cover her actions outside of a hospital setting.

    I am completely convinced that the reason that my two labors did not progress was because I DID NOT WANT TO BE THERE! Hospitals are for sick people, and preganancy is not an illness! While I am grateful that I have two healthy boys, I still resent the way they made their appearance in the world.

    If I get pregant again, I'm going to go to Tennessee to have the baby. There is a natural birthing place there that started out as a hippie commune in the late sixties. Called 'The Farm', it still offeres natural birth practices far far away from my HMO! (www.thefarmmidwives.org) They accept major insurance, and have a variety of options for birthing. No one in my home state of Connecticut will do a natural VBAC for me since I have had two c-sections, so I am going to travel to get what I want!

    • Posted By: tucket1 @ 01/25/2008 1:48:28 PM

      If you are to bitter to realize you already have what you want, heatlhy children and no one forced you to do anything. With the attitude you describe I bet no one else wanted you to be there either. You had a choice, which was to have the birth at home without any medical assistance. You could have done what some Native Americans did go out in your yard graba bush , squat and
      pushed your little heart out. You had plenty of notice you were going to have a baby and time to research other options. I doubt very much anyone came to your house and forced you to go to the hospital when you went in labor. You really need to get over it! You also had a choice to not use your HMO at all. You could have then gone anywhere you want and paid for it all on your own.

      Why in the world are you so focused on the process of giving birth YOU agreed to instead of focusing on the healthy children your choice brought about. You aren't a victim. Next time don't travel to Tennessee, just stay home and give birth in your tub, since you don't wont to be in a hospital all should naturally go so well for you, If not and something goes wrong you'll at least have had a great birth experience if not a healthy, alive baby.

    • Posted By: kornreich @ 01/25/2008 12:19:01 PM

      Macy -- You don't say you're currently pregnant, so maybe this is just your resentment talking. But why on earth would you want to go to the middle of nowhere where you know nobody and know nothing about doctors or hospitals to have your baby? Because you resent that you had two C-sections? What if this labor doesn't progress even at this birthing center?

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