The Obama-Clinton smackdown points up the tricky politics of race in America
Comment: Yeah, I love how the Press keeps insisting on drawing it.
Comment: The issue of race was mentioned in the campaign from the very beginning. While I don't believe the wildly slanted claims of being a "closet muslim," I was concerned when I viewed the rhetoric on the website of his church. I am really tired of hearing from Black Racists! As a white woman with friends and coworkers from many races, I consider myself a person who judges people on their merits. So what makes it all right to form a church for blacks? Would it be okay for form a church for whites? That would be considered racist. As a schoolteacher, I hear african american children call caucasions "crackers" but if the n word was mentioned in return, there would be severe reprisals. The issue of race should be a moot point, but for some reason it is not. And there are as many African-american racists and caucasians.
Comment: White oppression continues to this day, just as our forefathers, mothers, brothers, and sisters were when they were ripped from the bosum of our culture. We, solely, my fellow African kings and queens built this nation but have not shared in its wealth. Obama represents an opportunity to right wrongs, distribute wealth fairly, and make reperations from the heirs of slave owners to the only heirs of the people who were forced to build this country. As Michelle Obama stated, if you can't take care of your own house, you can't take care of the whitehouse. It is time to take care of this house.
Comment: The media is reprehensible. They are all primadonnas that can not admit when they are wrong. They interrupt their guests, step on worthwhile comments, and act all high and mighty. If the media wants to continue this jibberish, I believe at some point in time the American People will turn them off. I guess the WRITERS STRIKE is really a bad thing. BTW Chris Matthews , I believe, was the first to interject race, when he said after NH primary, that black voters would say one thing to the pollsters (voting for Obama), but when in the privacy of a voting booth they voted for Hillary. Someone should look up his quote on that.
And another thing - What the heck was the relevance of Tim Russert's question at the debate, about what Toni Morrison said about bill Clinton being the first Black President???? What the heck was that .....???if not to stir up the racial issues.
NO ONE CARS what she said, and many people do not even know who she is.
Comment: Comment:
In Obama's own words yesterday he said he is not sure if the people who support him now would support Hillary if he (Obama) is not the Democratic Party candidate in November. Obviously he will not. He also said three days ago he would have to check and see how well Bill Clinton could "dance" before he would consider him to be a "brother". Some of my very best lifelong friends are Black, Hispanic, and Muslim. I am very, very concerned that Barrack Obama is a closet racist that will destroy the race relations in this country.
So I humbly ask that you and all those you know to do your own investigation and report this if true and put an end to this divisive primary campaign before too much damage is done.
God Bless You.
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"We were always playing on the white man's court -- by the white man's rules. If the principal, or the coach, or a teacher wanted to spit in your face, he could, because he had the power and you didn't. The only thing you could choose was withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage."
Obama once described the white race as ???that ghostly figure that haunted black dreams.???
???That hate hadn't gone away,??? he wrote, blaming ???white people -- some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.???
During college, Obama disapproved of what he called other "half-breeds" who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks. And yet after college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman.
Obama???s book is primarily about his rejection of his supportive white maternal extended family in favor of his unknown black paternal extended family.
At age 33, he wrote in "Dreams from My Father, that " he found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against his mother???s race.
Obama vowed that he would "never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father???s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I???d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."
In his memoir, "Dreams of My Father," Obama writes of a story in Life magazine that influenced him -- about a black man trying to bleach his skin white. No such article could be found in Life or Ebony.
Comment: Some of these comments are really stupid,example Obama didn't grow up in a black community and Bill did is really silly. Obama has a mother who is white and a father who is black yet his blackness is a negative in the eyes of the Clintons and their followers. Although I'm 22 this country hasn't come as far as I hoped it had concerning race. The Clinton are race baiters and some of the American voters are right behind them. It's a sad day in American and yet America butts in other countries problems. I voted early in Illinois for Obama,and so many young voters don't vote because of stupid older voters who are evil and morally bankrupt like the Clintons.
Comment: Barack Obama didn't really grow up a black community but Bill Clinton did. To begin saying that the Clintons brought race into the election is just wrong. The fact is that Oprah Winfrey did when she made her "Dr King's Dream" speech on Dec 9 in South Carolina. Check it out - it's on www.youtube.com
These two are so close in so far as their votes and issues, I think they will eventually team up or at least they should.
Comment: Barack Obama has never lived in the black community. He grew up in Hawaii so I'm prone to be that Bill Clinton knows more about growing up in a black community than Barack. The other thing is Bill Clinton didn't introduce race into this campaign - Oprah Winfrey did with her Dec 9 "Dr King's Dream" speech in Columbia, Iowa. The facts are that these two candidates - Hillary and Barack are so much alike as to their votes and issues, why don't we just make one of them a President and the other a Vice President and mmove on??
Comment: Trash talk. And to accuse someone of rape is a huge thing. You can try that with people who buy into the stupid forwarded emails, but we're still voting for Hillary. Race issues, rape accusantions (absolute bullsh*t) and the silliness of the posts below just show what Obama's camp will do. Try to talk down and around and you it ain't working. I don't care HOW white Hillary Clinton is. I don't care WHO she knows in Saudi Arabia. She's campaigning and she has experience. Obama's a lot of talk. Talk talk talk talk talk and smiling and talking and smiling and shaking hands and pretendin gto the be a "bruthuh" to those he thinks will buy the routine. Have the man sit down with some of us who were raised by African American parents who didn't have anything who watched out parents struggle. We weren't in Hawaii or Indonesia or going to ivy league schools. While this man was still trying to figure out what he was doing, the Clintons were in Arkansas working for ALL people -- and neither of them were afraid to go into our neighborhoods and sit on the porches -- and he wasn't running for President-- and when he DID run and win, he STILL reached out and gave us the best 8 years of economic harmony we've had since Civil Rights. What happens in his marriage is between the two of them. Couldn't care less. Would I trust this White woman to take that oath next January and do the right thing? You betcha.
Comment: OH NO! Obama might be related to Muslims! Wait a sec...I thought the democrats were supposed to be about respecting other cultures and religions? So the smear posted by nvs9940 suggests that this person is a Republican since they generally play more on the negative stereotype of "Islamo-facism" and "radical Islam". Most actual Democrats I've met will bend over backwards to at least give the appearance of respecting other cultures and social dynamics.
But wait, it has been widely stated that the Republicans would benefit greatly from the Clintons getting the democratic nomination...mostly by Republicans from what I've seen. So that would imply that nvs9940 is doing his team a great disservice by spreading this propaganda.
In short this is either a Republican pushing right wing propaganda meant to put the Democratic Party in further disarray than the Democrats already have or a huge tool who's more interested at having "his team" win than actually knowing what "his team" is actually supposed to stand for.
Either way you win the "You're Not Helping" Award. It's shaped like Al Sharpton's hair.
Comment: Is this a bit of rationalization for the media not vetting Obama. Couldn't be the fear of racial back lash. Wouldn't be the first time in recent political history that the media gave a pass to a politician(s).
Lois Laulicht
Comment: CLINTON, ANGER AND A QUESTION OF RAPE
Bill Clinton likes to say, ???You???ve got to do what you???ve got to do.???
For him, that means lying, race-coding elections and trashing some of the best and brightest of the Democratic Party.
Well, we???ve got to do what we???ve got to do.
But we???re not going to make any accusations.
We are just going to let Democrats make their own judgment.
We do believe a party of change cannot be a party to corruption and that government accountability starts with personal responsibility, a quality neither of the Clintons can claim.
Here is some reporting from reputable sources that might allow fellow Democrats decide whether we believe what we say we do???including in women???s rights???or are, dare I say, ???shameless.??? The stories have to do with the accusation Bill Clinton raped a woman ...
Katha Pollitt of the liberal Nation Magazine (http://www.thenation.com/doc/19990322/pollitt )
Christopher Hitchens: (http://www.slate.com/id/2182065 )
One of the original Washington Post stories, ???Clinton Accuser???s Story Aired???
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics ???)
Martin Edwin Andersen is the 2001 winner of the U.S. Office of Special Counsel???s ???Public Servant Award??? for uncovering what the U.S. Department of Justice???s Inspector called ???egregious misconduct??? and ???willful disregard for national security??? by senior aides to Attorney General Janet Reno in a major corruption and security scandal at the DOJ.
(http://www.osc.gov/documents/press/1998/pr98_01.htm)
Comment: Ridicules statement? the fact is the Obama has Muslim education.
Do you think he will be practicing Muslim during the presidential campaign? No way.
Comment: Les face it; Obama has Muslim education isn???t he.
He points out that, He was once a Muslim.
The fact is that he has Muslim education.
Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that he is not a radical.
Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.
The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out.
What better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!!
Would you want this man leading our country?
Comment: Les face it. Obama has a Muslim education.
The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out,
what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!!
Comment: Both Barack and Hillery are "want to be" the "first to be"! However, can anyone be the "first to be" make America (US, Canada and Mexico) together a better place? Or, can one correct mistakes and dare to say that IRAQ WAR will not repeat and we are sadden that "We American and our allies" labelled others with LIES then followed up by BOMBS!
I will say that Hillery can do more than Barack because she sure has the "GREATEST (Billy the Great) ADVISOR" available only to her once elected as the PRESIDENT OF THE USA!
Barack would be very RED FACED if Mr. Al Gore is dancing!
Your friendly CanAm
SC/BC Canada
Comment: Why not more focus on gender? Me thinkith the Clinton's are behind the scenes keeping the pot stirred. The are definitely not uniters the way they pit people against people. They are masters at mistruth, and distortion. Is that what we really want to return to in the White House?
Comment: In responding to the statement by black leaders that bill clinton was America's "first black president" barack obama said that he'd have to see clinton dance first. The white folks had a nervous laugh at his witticism, not really sure if it was "OK" to laugh at the stereotyping comment.
Comment: Why does Barack not speak out directly on the issue of the "black experience" in America? Why has he not used his wonderful rhetorical skills to create hope for upward mobility for the african-american underclass? I - like most lifetime democrats - believe that the issue of structural poverty among african-americans is a legitimate topic. It cries out to be addressed as levels of inner city unemployment and multi-generational family breakdown are at epidemic levels. If Barack Obama shared the experience of black america then it would seem natural for him to speak about this issue. The awkward truth is that Barack Obama's background does not reflect the black american experience. Abandoned by his african father at an early age, his upbringing was left primarily to his caucasian feminist iconoclast mother. Then as he approached adolescence his mother sent him to live and be raised by his caucasian grandparents in Hawaii where he attended an elite private school... then to Columbia ... then Harvard Law. So where does Barack get off passing as a "Black American", using black dialect in the neighborhood, suggesting that he shares the experience of average folks - either black, brown or white? Perhaps we democrats are about to get short changed in this deal. Could we be about to elect as our first "black" President someone who has not a clue about how to reach down to the underclass for a hand up?
Comment: as an African American myself, i am ashamed and embarrassed by this comment. "reach down to the underclass for a hand up"? This is the kind of attitude that gets us in trouble and keeps us from obtaining the upward mobility you speak of. Senator Obama is an inspiring and intelligent "human being" and embarrassed by this comment. "reach down to the underclass for a hand up"? This is the kind of attitude that gets us in trouble and keeps us from obtaining the upward mobility you speak of. Senator Obama is an inspiring and intelligent "human being" and natural leader who happens to be black. I'll be voting for Barack so our country can more forward in a positive new direction for ALL PEOPLE while you keep waiting for the gov't to bail you out bruh. First and foremost, we need to continue to work to improve ourselves and our communities, like Senator Obama says "change starts from the bottom up" not the other way around.
Comment: as an African American myself, i am ashamed and embarrassed by this comment. "reach down to the underclass for a hand up"? This is the kind of attitude that gets us in trouble and keeps us from obtaining the upward mobility you speak of. Senator Obama is an inspiring and intelligent "human being" and natural leader who happens to be black. I'll be voting for Barack so our country can more forward in a positive new direction for ALL PEOPLE while you keep waiting for the gov't to bail you out bruh. First and foremost, we need to continue to work to improve ourselves and our communities, like Senator Obama says "change starts from the bottom up" not the other way around.
Comment: Barack is not a practicing muslim and he does not turn his back during the pledge of allegiance...where do people get these things? Talk about a smear campaign.
Plenty of reasons for people not to support Obama, but these statements are riduculous. What a shame some people stoop to these levels.
Comment: I'm sure anyone with any sense doens't believe Barack is a practicing Muslim...or that he turns his back to the flag during the pledge of allegiance. Almost unbelievable that people believe these kind of things.
Perfectly okay to not be a fan of Barack's...but not for this ridiculous reasons that have little merit.
Comment: "the scrutiny will even out over time". Just when will that be ? We are in the nominating process right now and it is the job of journalists to inform . The idea that any candidate get a free pass is ridiciulous. Let your readers decide and remember that there are women who take offense when the first serious woman candidate,quite competent, seems to be getting the lion's share of the negative ink.
Comment: I could disagree more. The interesting thing is that Obama is Harvard educated, the first African-American Editor of the Harvard Law Review, no ordinary man-black or white. However, such ordinary men such as Thompson (who just dropped out) can be placed on the national landscape as a legitimate contender, though he received minimum support. Yes, you can be an ordinary white male and be seen as a legitimate contender for the white house. You think that if Obama was "simple" as some of these contenders are that he would even be in consideration? Blacks run or president in every election (Cynthia McKinney is currently running under the Green party I believe). She opposed the war, but she soes not have superstar status and is considered "too Black.." The Clintons are sly. Just by interjecting race into the discussion (the MLK statement) brands Obama in the eyes of many as a "Black candidate." Moreover, the focus on the ethnicity of the electorate in S.C. will certainly undermine any win that Obama might enjoy--i.e., he won the Black vote, which is expected. I doubt that Obama is given a free race pass by the press. Bruh
Comment: The Clintons didn't interject race into the discussion - Oprah Winfrey did. Check it out at www.youtube.com. Oprah on December 9 in South Carolina. She gave a powerful "Dr King's Dream" and then she tells Obama, you have made his dream come true
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