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  • Posted By: dunnhaupt @ 01/23/2008 2:49:52 PM

    I really hope that the Democrats will pick Obama. He is their only chance of winning. Hillary carries far too much old baggage, the Republicans will make mincemeat of her. She can never make it in November.
    It would be far more difficult to attack Obama. Anybody who tries to attack him would be accused of racism.

    • Posted By: mabuhay @ 01/24/2008 11:54:35 AM

      Since when have the Republicans shy awat from using race as a wedge issue? Get a grip. If Obama becomes the Democratic Party's nominee, he'll just be ripped apart just like what they did with Gore and Kerry. We need somebody who will stand up for the ideals of our party. The person most qualified to that is Senator Clinton.

    • Posted By: Byron N DC @ 01/24/2008 7:06:18 AM

      I PERFER TO KNOW SOMEONE BAGGAGE THEN BE SUPRISE BY SOMEONE BAGGAGE....THEN I KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT PERSON....O-BAMA IS TOO NEW AND YOU CAN SEE BY THE LAST DEBATE WHEN HILLARY BROUGHT HIS BAGGAGE TO LIGHT AND THE O-BAMA FANS DOD NOT LIKE CAUSE U THINK THIS MAN IS BETTER THAN ANY ONE ELSE U SEE HE HAS BAGGAGE TOO...HE'S NO DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF THE POLITICIANS OUT THERE...WAKE UP FROM UR FAIRY TALE

      • Posted By: lonestarkaty @ 01/24/2008 10:18:27 AM

        I am just waitng for the second coming, because as best as I can tell the diversity of the U.S.A. ought to be a real challenge for him. Whether he born to a rich family and has a great education or a poor family and comes up the hard way we are probably going to tear him apart. Obama has never not claimed that he is a man and has made error in judgement in his youth and in learning how to be a public servant. I don't think he wants to be Pres. as a member of a radical movement black ot muslim the pieces don't fit. Why fight the system you want to be elected to. If he just wanted to be the first BLACK Pres. he could have sat back and waited patiently behind HRC for his turn, he could be speaking on her behalf right now and uniting the party. Apparently he is concerned for America and his own family that we as citizen can get involved and do a better job of governing ourselves if we take and interest in how our government works. I am not wearing ROSE Colored glasses, but I hope that we keep looking for the light at the end of the tunnel. I pray we don't elect HRC and have to go through this whole thing again in 4 years if we make a mistake.Enter Your Comment

  • Posted By: dg17256 @ 01/23/2008 4:36:19 PM

    All you Obama supporters are so desperate for a generation defining ticket that you can't see which one of these candidates will clearly lead to change. All of your inadequacy complexes has clouded your judgment into believing that the younger, less experienced candidate can get the job done. Unfortunately, this rational is precisely why most gen Ys can't get that promotion at work - inexperienced and logically flawed. Dust off those oft-not opened history books and read about terms like - budget surplus, diplomatic foreign policy, low unemployment rates. People, this isn't like chosing the next American Idol.

    • Posted By: Incredulous in 08 @ 01/23/2008 4:58:52 PM

      wow, dg17256. I haven't read anything that patronizing in a while. Are you really that ignorant, or are you just having a moment? Your argument is so out of whack I don't even want to address it except to say that I'm older than you think, probably older than you. I have received more promotions at work than anyone else who has ever had this position, and if you want to get to work on logic.... well... nevermind... I'm not sure how you think your statement in any way represents the thoughts of a rational or logical mind. A generation defining ticket?! Please... The only thing I want is a leader with integrity. I want someone who does believe that energy and enthusiasm is a vital component to bringing about change. Your asinine comments do fit in well with the status quo though, so congrats on that, I guess...

      • Posted By: dg17256 @ 01/23/2008 5:08:15 PM

        Since you disqualified yourself under that category, then you must simply be of the emotionally minded kind...again, obviously lacking any real logic to buy into the rhetoric a candidate feeds you at face value. Who in there right mind would believe anything any political candidate spews? It's part of the process, and Obama is simply feeding you what your kind wants to hear. Throw everything that you hear and feel from these candidates out the window, and simply look at who clearly, logically, practically will get things done. If I mix in a few words like integrity, hope, change, and follow it up with some exclamation points to project energy and enthusiam, will you believe me?

        • Posted By: Incredulous in 08 @ 01/23/2008 5:27:23 PM

          nice. really nice... oh, absolutely, I'm all on board now that you used the nice emo words... Ok, I get it now... Obama supporters are either young OR emotional... You were just being expedient before, I suppose. At least you cut your bigotry by half. Or did you double it? Gee golly, I just can't tell because I'm feeling so emotional right now. Let me ask you... Have YOU looked into the ACTUAL records of the canditates? I'm not talking about what you've seen on Fox, or CNN, or even on their websites. And God, I really hope you're not getting your information from partisan blogs!
          It is incumbent upon us as voters to look into the ACTUAL record, by the way... It's more to show the point that you're painting with an awfully wide brush to think I would not have, actually. It's important to get things done. It's also important to restore just the tiniest bit of trust back into government in order to combat the rampant cynicism that dominates the entire scene today. A need which is so LOUDLY proven by your own comments. If I can choose between two people whose policies are relatively similar, but one will lie at the drop of a hat and divide the country bitterly and the other is fighting for honesty, why should I not choose to align with just the tiniest bit of morality? Or are morals too emotional? And finally, though not nearly as important as combating cynicism and bigotry... Spell/grammar check is your friend. Get to know it.

          • Posted By: lonestarkaty @ 01/24/2008 9:51:18 AM

            How can you listen to HRC and think that she is going to be able to work with world leader who do not see her point of view. I understand political squabbling and if you are going to run against a candidate from the other party you have to be how do you say VETTED. I am just concerned that she will attempt to you smear campiagns against Congress and world leaders if she doesn't get her way. I am WHITE FEMALE over 50 and will not vote for HRC under any circumstances, she is not likable to me.Enter Your Comment

          • Posted By: dg17256 @ 01/23/2008 6:39:13 PM

            I'm apologize for the grammar...don't have the benefit of time. It's actually not that bad considering I didn't actually call upon my spell/grammar check friend, and that's kind of a low blow, but that's besides the point. I've actually lived through it all and can recall without resorting to the tainted news organizationsl. Just because he says he will restore trust and not lie doesn't mean he will. You mean to tell me you absolute believe he's not lying about anything? Let's not be gullible Moreover, it seems like it's actually the cynical people that are drawn to Obama, cynical about the process. It is what we have for a system, therefore don't be manipulated by magical words. At the end of the day, all cynicism aside, it is the chosen one that must produce when elected, therefore I'd rather put my eggs in the basket of someone with practical experience affecting change. As transcendent as Obama may seem, he's not going to change the system in Washington, so whoever is elected better know how to play the game. Whether we're cynical or not, it is what it is, so we should affect change the way the system permits, and do it masterfully.

            • Posted By: Incredulous in 08 @ 01/23/2008 6:45:04 PM

              I have to run, dg, but thanks for the back and forth today. You're right about the grammar dig, it was petty. As a teacher I shouldn't blow my top when I see that stuff, but it's like nails on a chalk board. You made a decent point there after settling down, but I still disagree. I hope we can agree to disagree, but if not, so be it. I can't vote for someone who is straight-up, unapologetically crooked even if it means they can use it to their advantage. You're gonna win anyway, so my arguments about my candidate is just academic anyway... Really have to run. Peace and happy emotions be with you. :)

              • Posted By: dg17256 @ 01/23/2008 6:50:44 PM

                Peace...you're cool...I'll try and be a little more balanced with my emotions...take care:)

  • Posted By: Becky M @ 01/24/2008 8:50:52 AM

    You are still getting it wrong. He said IF STARTING FROM SCRATCH OR IF THERE WAS A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS, then single pay health care would be his choice, but since we already have something in place, it would not be. There is a difference. I am amazed at the slick job the Clintons are doing even on the media and fact checking people. Read the details!

  • Posted By: "Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen @ 01/23/2008 7:52:34 PM

    CLINTON, ANGER AND A QUESTION OF RAPE

    What has gotten into Bill Clinton, he of red-faced outbursts of anger, Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson asked Tuesday.
    Katha Pollitt of the liberal Nation Magazine, an unlikely ally of Hillary's "vast rightwing conspiracy" already gave one answer (http://www.thenation.com/doc/19990322/pollitt ):
    "We will never know the truth behind Juanita Broaddrick's claim that Bill Clinton raped her in a Little Rock hotel room in l978. The most you can say about it, which is also the least you can say about it, is that her story is credible ... investigations by NBC News and reporting from the Washington Post poked no major holes in it.
    "She has as much corroboration as Anita Hill--friends who say she told them about the assault at the time, one of whom says she saw her immediately after with a bruised and swollen lip. ... the best Clinton's defenders can come up with is that rape doesn't fit his 'MO'--as if, after all the backing and filling and prevaricating and outright lying, we know what this man's MO really is."
    More recently Christopher Hitchens, also of the independent left, has written
    (http://www.slate.com/id/2182065 ):
    "In my opinion, Gennifer Flowers was telling the truth; so was Monica Lewinsky, and so was Kathleen Willey, and so, lest we forget, was Juanita Broaddrick, the woman who says she was raped by Bill Clinton.... Yet one constantly reads that both Clintons, including the female who helped intensify the slanders against her mistreated sisters, are excellent on women's "issues."
    Then there was one of the original Washington Post stories, "Clinton Accuser's Story Aired"
    (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics... ), that was very sympathetic to Ms. Broaddrick:
    "Juanita Broaddrick told her story to a national television audience last night, saying she did not tell authorities 21 years ago of her contention that Bill Clinton sexually assaulted her because 'I just don't think anyone would have believed me.'
    "In a gripping account punctuated by sobs, the Arkansas woman told "Dateline NBC" that in her Little Rock hotel room, Clinton suddenly 'turned me around and started kissing me, and that was a real shock. I first pushed him away. I just told him 'no.'... He tries to kiss me again. He starts biting on my lip.... And then he forced me down on the bed. I just was very frightened. I tried to get away from him. I told him 'no.'... He wouldn't listen to me.'
    Yet today, somehow, the media is more interested in covering the presidential "horse race" than looking at hard truths while professional "women's rights activists", lowly whistle and look past the individual carnage and the possibilities for A reprise of Oval Office embarrassment.

    • Posted By: lacubana @ 01/24/2008 8:24:42 AM

      why would any woman in her right mind refuse Clinton, he is handsome, inteligent and I am positive would not RAPE anyone that does not want to be with him. To those who accuse him, GIRLS, GET A LIFE

  • Posted By: an obama girl @ 01/23/2008 2:18:47 PM

    Hey whats bill doing on the campaign trail? Does't he have a date with an intern somewhere?

    • Posted By: Byron N DC @ 01/24/2008 7:09:12 AM

      O-BAMABA GIRL U WANT BILL? IN ALL YOUR COMMENT YOU KEEP MENTION BILL AND MONICA...MOVE ON O-BAMA GIRL, OR GET OVER IT.... U DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH HILLARY, U SEE WHAT SHE DID TO O-BAMA

  • Posted By: Massiel08 @ 01/23/2008 3:41:53 PM

    ****** I think that OBAMA supporters need to get in the blogs and spread the truth about OBAMA without attacking the CLINTONS (which is hard to do). The American people want the truth for some reason or another it needs to shoved in their face.****

    * HE'S THE ONE WITH THE REAL EXPERIENCE (11 YEARS OF PUBLIC OFFICE)
    * SELF MADE MAN
    * YOU DONT HEAR HIM BRINGING UP ANY DIRT ABOUT THE CLINTONS (WHICH THE REPS WILL)
    *HE'S PASSED MORE BILLS THAN HILLARY (THERE'S A LAW WITH HIS NAME ON IT ON NUCLEAR PROLIFICATION)
    * He gets accused of Rhetoric V. Reality but common his Rhetoric is realistical and practical and has major accomplishments on ethics reform to prove it...
    * Others talk about Health care Well others have had changes when it comes to Health care, it hasnt gotten done there is Rhetoric, V, Reality


    Just a few. Arm Ourselfs with the truth and spread it. He is not just a great motivational speaker this man has substance.

    • Posted By: an obama girl @ 01/23/2008 4:50:40 PM

      I understand what you are trying to do with the truth and I rely on you to help Obama in this fashion.Clinton supporter make me feel like I am talking to a Republican that still supports Bush. These people have a memory the size of a peanut. They support Bill Clinton lying to the American people. Be it about Monica or Obama. With Monica they feel he had the right to lie because it was no-ones business who he was sleeping with. Obama, tey feel he can lie because this is a political race. Basically they suport Bill the liar, however they scream at the top of their lungs about Bush and Chaney. I agree. No one care who bill was screwing. He should have kept his face off of TV and not addressed the american public, but instead he chose to show he was not a real man and he lied. Hillary has every right to accept his lies. I'm not his wife thank goodness and I do not want a White ran by a liar and his wife. They are a team. They remind us everyday, we get two for the price of one. In this case we would be getting a basement bargin!

      • Posted By: Byron N DC @ 01/24/2008 6:59:08 AM

        O-bama Girl you want some of the Clinton.....you keep bring up stuff when Bill was in office....NEWS RELEASE bring it current baby girl....WHAT HAS O-BAMA DONE FOR YOU LATELY?

  • Posted By: Kim in Pasadena @ 01/23/2008 4:37:36 PM

    Senator Obama is offering hope -- hope in the American dream, hope in the American experiment, hope in the American people's ability to create a better future. Some have dismissed this hope and asked us to take a "reality check."

    O.k., I will take the time to check reality -- and acknowledge openly that without hope in ourselves very little will get better. Without hope, very little will change. We can continue to fight, to divide, and mumble against our government. Or we can replace our fears with hope in the American people, and work together with Senator Obama to create a better future for ourselves and all Americans. It's been done before -- let us do it again.

    • Posted By: Byron N DC @ 01/24/2008 6:54:07 AM

      and so did Jesse Jackson....and for the Reagan why would you mention a Republican man in a Democrate debate ....then he stumble with his answer and said they were bad ones..WHY would you mention someone bad ideals be a man and stick up for you answer.....that was a punch against Bill ....but was funny when O-bama said she was sitting on the board at WalMart and it was BRILLIANT when she came back and did you see O-bama face when she said I was fight policies while you had dealing with the slumlord....my buttI was on the floor...LMAO O-bama you just got PUNKED by Hillary....

    • Posted By: Byron N DC @ 01/24/2008 6:39:00 AM

      So did Jesse Jackson we all want HOPE....I hope to get rich, I hope that I can keep my job, I hope for world peace, I hope that there wasn't any racism in Amererica, I hope that the politicians would tell the truth and the media, I hope to get a pay raise, I hope the I will not get sick, I hope, I hope that is why Jesse says get hope alive.....without someone in the Oval Office is going to do something about it....it just inspiring words and everyone has there own set of hopes...like this I hope Hillary get the bid and I hope that she can move this country again...that my hope !!!!!

  • Posted By: an obama girl @ 01/23/2008 6:25:54 PM

    Hey , I wonder if Bill Clinton uses the same cigar on Hillary as he used on Monica? Is that a 3-som by proxie? I heard Hillary doesn't do Bill anymore. I heard she's into women now. Anybody know the tryth of it?

    • Posted By: Byron N DC @ 01/24/2008 6:42:03 AM

      You want hillary to do you O-bama girl....stop with the foolishness. stop hearing things it could be demons playing with your mind....O-bama girl.....

  • Posted By: punchadara @ 01/24/2008 12:39:41 AM

    with this whole gender and race thing, i dunno, i'm an american but i feel like we keep thinking we're so progressive, and here we're making it such a big deal about 1st woman and 1st african american pres (i mean, i think it is a big deal, but it shouldn't have to be in 2008!), we keeping dissing people in middle-eastern and "third world" nations, but india had a woman prime minister a hell of a long time ago, and pakistan benazir and england thatcher....
    and on other note, what's this clinton has 35 years of experience, i just wanna know, are we counting her time as first lady?

  • Posted By: ivy@intelliwave.com @ 01/23/2008 2:03:39 PM

    Obama has been accused of being young and naive. I think he demonstrated that he is not either in the last debate. I don't like to the fighting, but I think that Obama was forced to address these issues with strength. I commend him for not backing down and I think it's time to move on. Senator Obama, please continue to campaign with integrity and I will support you with my vote.

    • Posted By: Dr.Woo @ 01/23/2008 11:48:00 PM

      To paraphrase one wiser than myself, "Experience without wisdom is just a burden"

  • Posted By: rarelydisturbed @ 01/23/2008 11:03:15 PM

    Why do these candidates, with resources to get it right, misrepresent their Democratic Party's fellow candidates. Are they so eager to destroy the other that they don't use their resources to assure accuracy? That is ugly, to say the least. The arrogance of power, and literally fighting for top position, draws out the ugly side of otherwise decent people. Is there not a candidate willing to give the benefit of respect to other candidates, willing to assure accuracy in representing the other candidates, and willing to simply argue why their own position is best for our country?

  • Posted By: bjmiddle @ 01/23/2008 1:50:40 PM

    Oh, Please! Obama did compare the Reagan era favorably with the Kennedy era and he said that Bill Clinton was not not in the same league Surely, surely that is a favorable statement about Reagan. How else can you read it? Nooooo, Obama did not say Reagan was a great president but when you compare him favorably with John Kennedy, the implication is obvious, especially to Democrats. Give me a break!!!

    • Posted By: an obama girl @ 01/23/2008 3:58:17 PM

      sorry no breaks....Do you raed?

      • Posted By: CalexanderJ @ 01/23/2008 6:32:28 PM

        Obama said that Reagan was a great president in so far as he had a vision and he was able to get people to buy into that vision, he also stated that Reagan's policies hurt many of people he worked with as a community organizer. These are not inconsistent statements and Hilary tried to make it sound as if Obama supported Reagan's policies.

  • Posted By: quixel4321 @ 01/23/2008 5:42:39 PM

    To White Obama Supporter-You have no clue of the everyday life of poor white,hispanic,etc people. Excuse me but i have been followed by cops for travelling through a mostly black neighborhood numerous times and questioned and had my vehicle searchd.I have been given terrible service because of the color of my skin.I have been given lower paying jobs in a government job training program because of the color of my skin(My choice of jobs was ditch digging and data entry for $4 an hour while the ladies in the office were talking about saving the good jobs for their friends and other people from the black community-not my theory,actually hearing them blatantly talking about it to each other in front of me and knowing nothing could be done about this clearly racist act).I have been harrassed on the job and called racist names and had to work harder then others because the color of my skin.I have been watched by security in a stores orr mocked in other stores by clerks because of the color of my skin.I am White and poor..I guess it's ok in your eyesto be racist towards people like me,because i deserve it?Obama could attack me,kick me,beat me,lie about me and stir up racial divisions(Calling others racist to get the black vote) as he's done to many others and you would find nothing wrong with it! Racism also come from people of other colors MR. Im Rich and haven't got a clue in your little Fairy Tale Life. So before you open your pathetic idiot mouth and talk about things you have no clue about...STFU BytheWay unlike you i treat EVERYONE as i would like to be treated,not just certain groups that makes you look good in the public and MEDIA's eyes. F'ing Hypocrite

    • Posted By: Incredulous in 08 @ 01/23/2008 5:46:49 PM

      you treat EVERYONE the way you would like to be treated? The way you just did to the white obama supporter? Who's the hypocrite?
      And what happened to the topic of this posting?

  • Posted By: AWhiteObamaSupporter @ 01/23/2008 5:11:33 PM

    I'll tell you what bothered me the most about this last debate: When asked if Bill Clinton was the first African-American President, I really wish Obama said, "Mr. Clinton was instrumental in supporting the black community during his Presidency. However, until he gets followed through a department store by security based on the color of his skin, he's not Black. Until he gets stopped by the police - and treated as if he's an ex-com, then no - he's not Black. That is something Bill Clinton will never understand.

    • Posted By: dg17256 @ 01/23/2008 5:31:52 PM

      Actually, the correct interpretation by Obama would have been allegorically, or figuratively, not literally. He can be a little snappy.

    • Posted By: rockione23 @ 01/23/2008 5:17:31 PM

      That might be the funniest thing I've heard in months, it is 100% true and totally brilliant.! I've rarely seen a few sentences that were so accurate and yet totally hysterical! If Obama woulda said that I might switched to the BLUE side:)

  • Posted By: AWhiteUpperClassObamaSupporter @ 01/23/2008 5:10:03 PM

    I'll tell you what bothered me the most about this last debate: When asked if Bill Clinton was the first African-American President, I really wish Obama said, "Mr. Clinton was instrumental in supporting the black community during his Presidency. However, until he gets followed through a department store by security based on the color of his skin, he's not Black. Until he gets stopped by the police - and treated as if he's an ex-com, then no - he's not Black. That is something Bill Clinton will never understand.

  • Posted By: nowhutimsane @ 01/23/2008 5:06:56 PM

    the worst accusation obama makes about hillary is that she sat on walmart's board. lmao he really dropped the gloves with that one. whereas obama's rezko connection shows that he is a typical pol. pols all say they're gonna change things but never do. then blame congress or someone else when they fail. wake up and smell the b.s., people!

  • Posted By: rockione23 @ 01/23/2008 2:54:58 PM

    Okay, I like to hear Obama speak, I think he's a very refreshing face in the poltcial landscape of today. He's actually what got me intrested in the Dem side of this election, (I'm a Rep, but a VERY liberal one:) but over the last few days he's reminded me more of a whiny 10 year old then a potential prez. I was young during the Clinton years, but i do remember that my mother was a young struggling singel mother and thar Clinton was the one who helped put things together that allowed us to make it. I also remember that the Clintons are a no-holds bar kind of family who have been known to play fast ans loose with the facts. I was 17 in 2000 (which says something about my youth durning Monica-gate) and i know better then to mess with the Clintons. For Obama to get deffensive and complain that he cant tell which Clinton he's running against only makes him sound childish and inempt. Everyone knows (or at least should by this point) that there are not Clintons in the singular; they are THE Clinton and if you're going to take them on you'd better have thick skin, strong staff and a mouth piece!

    • Posted By: an obama girl @ 01/23/2008 3:15:02 PM

      Well what exactly are you saying? I would rather vote for a liar than a cry baby? I don't think Obama is crying. I think he is reminding people what the Hill-Billies are like.. Your right....he should say nothing. He should not point out the the Fomer President is, was and always will be a liar. He should be more like them. e should ask his friends to do his dirty work. Maybe he should get his kids involved. Hum.... I think maybe you just don't want to know the truth from Obama. So Here is what he is not saying.
      Hillary is no victim. She has chosen right or wrong to stay with a man that stood in front of the American people and lie about an affair with a young white house inter. Bill Clinton was at the time of his affair, Commander and chief of the Military. Under Military law, which he was in-charge of...Any military person who behaved as he did could be tried under military law and be kicked OUT of the military. This was a case of, "I am better than those that serve me" 'I do not follow the same rules as those below me , I am simple better" The affair is forgivable. I personally don't care who or how anybody has sex. I do feel that after he was caught he should have been man enough to stand up and tell the truth or say nothing at all. Hillary has chosen to forgive her husband for his lies. That is great! The American people however should be able to believe that their president is telling the truth. If her husband is willing to lie about something so stupid, that has no impact on the lives of you and I? What elese is he willing to lie about? and more importantly what is Hillary willing to support. Make no mistake, as you say...They are the Clinttons, They are One. She supports him in his antics. I do not. Do not make Obama out as the cry baby for reminding the american people we are dealing with liars!!

      • Posted By: rockione23 @ 01/23/2008 5:01:36 PM

        Opps, i forgot. Not defending Bill's behavior but I'm military and I know plenty of married military men who've gotten other married women (as in not their wife) into, um "delicate" situations. The UCMJ is there as are those rules you speak of, but they are not inforced in every situation or on every offender. Generally the higher your rank, the lower your punishment. By military terms, the fact that Bill got off as unscathed as he did isn't totally shocking given his position. Have he been a mess cook on the other hand.....totally different story.

      • Posted By: rockione23 @ 01/23/2008 4:51:24 PM

        Sorry, hun. I think i left out a few lines there. What i was trying to express is that of course he should've had his cronies do his dirty work for him! Just kidding, I just wanted a little more grace, shouting at a shouting Clinton not only makes you look like a Clinton. And whiny. The Clintons play so fast and so loose with the facts that any honest person cannot get into a pissing match with them with out running the risk of getting their head knocked back to second grade. She attacks, you whine you cant who you're running against, not a great comback. Thats why you dont fight with the Clintons, let them make asses of themself, keep your hands clean (and those of your advisors and supporters) :)

    • Posted By: Massiel08 @ 01/23/2008 3:00:38 PM

      Hey Rockione23 I heard you're a tranny...LOL just kidding . It will bother any one when people are teaming up and spreading nonsense about you. (especially and ex president) Politicians should be thicked skin with lobbyist, corporations, terrorists etc but not with each other or the people. This is what years of brainwashing by Karl Rove politics and Clinton machine ways has done to us. If he inspired you or caught your interest Why are you giving up hope? Its not crazy to have a vision and a plan.

      • Posted By: rockione23 @ 01/23/2008 4:36:29 PM

        as i said, i'm a republican so I'm 100% NOT voting for Clinton. Being disabled military vet i am EXTREMELY used having to have think skin - especially with my former collegeues and the American people, you wouldn't believe the way some people treat vets or some of the things that have been said to and/or about me; I'm just pointing out that there are better ways to handle it them to lower yourself to their level and that Obama is as niave as the Clintons claim if he truely thought that he was ever running against ONLY Hillary Clinton and that Bill was going to sit home and knit. We need someone that can handle all of the things that will be said about him while he is in office and still give the people hope. Obama has lowered himself to the typical political BS and that is SAD! You're right Massielo8 there is nothing crazy about having a plan or a dream, but there is a problem when your plan or dream is to rise above the political BS, to inspire, to hope to Change and you allow yourself to be pulled itno the petty bickering that politics is know for - thats not change, thats the same old same old. What I was, merely attempting to point out was the fact that Obama was whiny in the way that he handled the Clintons, not suggesting that the Clintons are correct in their behavior. . There was no grace, no rising above, no inspiration in the way he handled the situation. What drew me in about Obama was the fact that he truely seemed to be different and truely seemed to want to make things different. The behavior i expected of him was to not be drawn into the Clinton machine, to not resort to that level. And against the pitbull that is Clinton I'm sorry, but he was whiny!

  • Posted By: nowhutimsane @ 01/23/2008 5:01:03 PM

    sure wish obama had some executive experience. as a illinois state senator his votes on every issue were the most liberal position. he's very vague on the current issues. can a person stand 4 more years of clinton drama? not me. so the lesser of 3 evils leaves some guy named john. of course he was only a one term senator. what to do...what to do?

  • Posted By: dg17256 @ 01/23/2008 4:42:37 PM

    I can only hope we prosper as much as we did at the end of Bill Clinton's Administration...

  • Posted By: Massiel08 @ 01/23/2008 4:18:36 PM

    DCSTEVE you are basically saying they (clintons) are more evil than Obama and less evil than the Republicans.. Come on is this the politics we want to pass down to our children? bush, clinton, clinton, bush , bush and clinton and clinton and so on?? Come on if we inform everyone around us the people can spread the truth its called word on mouth..

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