Free Lolita! A Whale Story

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  • Posted By: intrigued808 @ 01/25/2008 4:11:51 PM

    How dare you point the finger and degrade someone who is housing a captive Orca, when you yourself seem to forget the opportunities you've had from study, learning, and experiences that were all made available to you because of the capture and housing of other marine mammals. You wouldn't have the degree you have if you did not partake in supporting those practices by buying the books, supporting the studies, and who knows what other means you have yourself participated in...that all were made possible by the study of captive marine mammals. You have no business calling Mr. Hertz's speech ignorant concerning that he never said anyting about her being content...if you want to rip apart what he said then try and do so on something he actually did say. But, because you are becoming quite infamous now for thinking and feeling on other animal's (and now) people's behalf, you should know that if anyone in this world has any idea of what that animal thinks or feels, it would be the people that see her and interact with her everyday. Go to her trainer's that care for her everday and spend hours with her on end, communicating the best way they know how, and ask their experienced opinion. They have no real obligation to the Miami Seaquarium that would hinder them from saying their honest feelings and opinions about Lolita and her situation. They aren't there for the money, if you had any clue what these trainers make then you would be in complete shock. I seriously doubt this place has really made hardly a fraction of the amount you are claiming. Do you have any idea how much it costs to feed a 7,000lb animal everyday? Do you have any idea how much it cost to treat the water, and maintain the tank...the cleaning involved? The cost of veterinary care, staffing, and multiple upkeep of records and logs. In order for them to make a serious profit then they would more than likely have to fill the park everyday of people and hope they all buy souvenirs and photos. In any case, the point is, that until you can come up with something that tells me you have spent countless hours with Lolita, getting to know her, and strongly believe that you know how she feels and thinks, don't bother speaking on her behalf. Try asking someone who does have the most credible credentials and knowledge about the animal in question, someone who has spent countless hours with her, and has the best position of anyone else to speak for her.

  • Posted By: sarabi07 @ 01/25/2008 3:40:53 PM

    I believe that we need to leave the animals in their natural habitat. Animals just don't do these types of tricks naturally so why are we forcing them to do things for our entertainment. Next time you look in the mirror ask yourself if you like your freedom or would you rather be placed in a cage and forced to do tricks for someone else's entertainment.

  • Posted By: AnnieCycle2 @ 01/25/2008 2:39:58 PM

    Incidentally...why don't we request that Lolita have a larger area built for her. I don't doubt she is better off where she is with her 38 year good health and human pod...but she needs more room.
    If the powers that be in Florida really care about her, they will expand her living area.
    How about it?

  • Posted By: AnnieCycle2 @ 01/25/2008 2:30:15 PM

    Well, Sir, since you support the Movie Stars helping your scientific crusade to experiment further in the desire to move a healthy Lolita to a environmentally unhealthy Puget Sound... you shouldn't mind betting $10,000. that she will live beyond one year of the move. The check to be made out to Harrison Medical Center, Pulmonary Department, Bremerton, WA...that Lolita will live on in the name of COPD (Chronic Oppresive Pulmonary Disease) the 4th leading killer in the U.S., 5th in the world.

  • Posted By: MOLLYBEAN @ 01/25/2008 12:55:26 PM

    AFTER READING SOME OF THE COMMENTS BY OTHERS I THINK PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO DO A LOT OF INDEPENDENT RESEARCH BEFORE BEING SO OPENLY JUDGEMENTAL ON BOTH SIDES. THE SIMPLE FACTS ARE THESE LOLITA IS IN CAPTIVITY, HAS BEEN MOST OF HER LIFE, AND JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A WHALE AND IT IS KNOWN WHERE HER FAMILY IS DOES NOT MEAN THEY WILL ACCEPT HER. DOES SHE DESERVE THE CHANCE? SURE, BUT THE HARSH REALITY IS THAT SHE HAS SPENT TO MANY YEARS IN CAPTIVITY TO BE ABLE TO BE JUST TURNED LOOSE AND EXPECT EVERYTHING TO BE PEACHY. FOR ONE THING THE MUSCLE DEVELOPMENT SHE NEEDS TO KEEP UP WITH OTHERS IN THE OCEAN WOULD TAKE MONTHS IN A DEEP WATER SITUATION TO DEVELOP, SHE HAS TO LEARN TO HUNT AFTER YEARS OF BEING HAND FED, AND THEN THERE IS THE SAD TRUTH OF PUTTING AN ANIMAL WHO HAS LIVED THE MAJORITY OF ITS LIFE IN A CLEAN INVIRONMENT INTO OCEAN WATER THAT HAS FOR YEARS BEEN POLLUTED BY THE HUMAN POPULATION. THESE ARE JUST THREE REALITIES THAT LOLITA WOULD FACE. LET ALONE NOT UNDERSTANDING EMOTIONALLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO HER. AT THIS POINT ADVOCATION FOR A LARGER, DEEPER TANK WITH MORE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT WOULD BE BEST. IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, THEN IN THE FUTURE WHEN SHE HAS REAQUIRED SOME OF HER NATURAL INSTINCTS PERHAPS FURTHER, BETTER PLANS FOR HER COULD BE ADVANCED. IT IS ARROGAT AS HUMANS TO JUST SAY, "FREE HER". SHE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN CAPTURED IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT GREAT A TIME HAS PASSED TO JUST PUT HER BACK IN THE OCEAN. THAT WOULD BE AS CRUEL AS HER CAPTURE.

  • Posted By: MOLLYBEAN @ 01/25/2008 12:20:10 PM

    IF ITS FELT THE RISK TO HER HEALTH IS TO GREAT FOR A CROSS COUNTRY TRIP, AND THE UNSURITY OF HER BEING ABLE TO BE STRONG ENOUGH IN THE WILD, COULDN'T SOME OF THIS "HOLLYWOOD" MONEY BE SPENT TO BUILD HER A LARGER, DEEPER TANK SO THAT HER LIFE COULD BE AT LEAST IMPROVED IN HER LATER YEARS. ALSO, COULD THEY INTRODUCE FISH INTO SAID TANK TO SEE IF SHE COULD LEARN TO HUNT FOR HER FOOD AGAIN, OR AT LEAST GIVE HER THE STIMULIS OF A MORE NATURAL LIFE. KELLY IN AZ

  • Posted By: Dr.Mukhametov @ 01/25/2008 1:49:13 AM

    In response to Mr. Arthur Hertzt, orcas are not pets. No matter how long Lolita has been imprisoned, she will never fully acclimate to being confined to a small tank in comparison with her natural habitat. It is extremely arrogant for humans to think that we are the only ones who can be rehabilitated back into our own societies. Orcas are the mammals most closely aligned with the same thinking process of human beings. It is a reasonable conclusion to me and my fellow colleagues of aquatic science and marine biology, that this magnificent creature has willed herself to live based primarily on the hope of freedom and reconnection to her natural family. This mammal is not part of your family; she was forcibly removed from her natural habitat and she has her own family waiting for her. Your ignorant speech about Lolita being content in such a confining environment is frivolous. It appears your main concern is monetary profit. You have already amassed over one hundred million(100,000,000 ) dollars from her forced captivity. How much more do you want? We, the leading scientists in this field of study, concur that the abuse of solitary confinement to this mammal needs to cease. We don't believe any animal deserves to be confined for the rest of their life in such conditions. Mr. Hearst, with all due respect, you are a greedy man. My colleagues and I 100% support the Hollywood community who have spoken out on this issue.

    Dr.Mukhametov

    Russia


  • Posted By: Dr.Mukhametov @ 01/25/2008 1:43:19 AM

    In response to Mr. Arthur Hearst, orcas are not pets. No matter how long Lolita has been imprisoned, she will never fully acclimate to being confined to a small tank in comparison with her natural habitat. It is extremely arrogant for humans to think that we are the only ones who can be rehabilitated back into our own societies. Orcas are the mammals most closely aligned with the same thinking process of human beings. It is a reasonable conclusion to me and my fellow colleagues of aquatic science and marine biology, that this magnificent creature has willed herself to live based primarily on the hope of freedom and reconnection to her natural family. This mammal is not part of your family; she was forcibly removed from her natural habitat and she has her own family waiting for her. Your ignorant speech about Lolita being content in such a confining environment is frivolous. It appears your main concern is monetary profit. You have already amassed over one hundred million(100,000,000 ) dollars from her forced captivity. How much more do you want? We, the leading scientists in this field of study, concur that the abuse of solitary confinement to this mammal needs to cease. We don't believe any animal deserves to be confined for the rest of their life in such conditions. Mr. Hearst, with all due respect, you are a greedy man. My colleagues and I 100% support the Hollywood community who have spoken out on this issue.

    Dr.Mukhametov

    Russia

  • Posted By: Dr.Mukhametov @ 01/25/2008 1:41:34 AM

    In response to Mr. Arthur Hearst, orcas are not pets. No matter how long Lolita has been imprisoned, she will never fully acclimate to being confined to a small tank in comparison with her natural habitat. It is extremely arrogant for humans to think that we are the only ones who can be rehabilitated back into our own societies. Orcas are the mammals most closely aligned with the same thinking process of human beings. It is a reasonable conclusion to me and my fellow colleagues of aquatic science and marine biology, that this magnificent creature has willed herself to live based primarily on the hope of freedom and reconnection to her natural family. This mammal is not part of your family; she was forcibly removed from her natural habitat and she has her own family waiting for her. Your ignorant speech about Lolita being content in such a confining environment is frivolous. It appears your main concern is monetary profit. You have already amassed over one hundred million(100,000,000 ) dollars from her forced captivity. How much more do you want? We, the leading scientists in this field of study, concur that the abuse of solitary confinement to this mammal needs to cease. We don't believe any animal deserves to be confined for the rest of their life in such conditions. Mr. Hearst, with all due respect, you are a greedy man. My colleagues and I 100% support the Hollywood community who have spoken out on this issue.

  • Posted By: Dr.Mukhametov @ 01/25/2008 1:40:44 AM

    In response to Mr. Arthur Hearst, orcas are not pets. No matter how long Lolita has been imprisoned, she will never fully acclimate to being confined to a small tank in comparison with her natural habitat. It is extremely arrogant for humans to think that we are the only ones who can be rehabilitated back into our own societies. Orcas are the mammals most closely aligned with the same thinking process of human beings. It is a reasonable conclusion to me and my fellow colleagues of aquatic science and marine biology, that this magnificent creature has willed herself to live based primarily on the hope of freedom and reconnection to her natural family. This mammal is not part of your family; she was forcibly removed from her natural habitat and she has her own family waiting for her. Your ignorant speech about Lolita being content in such a confining environment is frivolous. It appears your main concern is monetary profit. You have already amassed over one hundred million(100,000,000 ) dollars from her forced captivity. How much more do you want? We, the leading scientists in this field of study, concur that the abuse of solitary confinement to this mammal needs to cease. We don't believe any animal deserves to be confined for the rest of their life in such conditions. Mr. Hearst, with all due respect, you are a greedy man. My colleagues and I 100% support the Hollywood community who have spoken out on this issue.

  • Posted By: Dr.Mukhametov @ 01/25/2008 1:40:29 AM

    In response to Mr. Arthur Hearst, orcas are not pets. No matter how long Lolita has been imprisoned, she will never fully acclimate to being confined to a small tank in comparison with her natural habitat. It is extremely arrogant for humans to think that we are the only ones who can be rehabilitated back into our own societies. Orcas are the mammals most closely aligned with the same thinking process of human beings. It is a reasonable conclusion to me and my fellow colleagues of aquatic science and marine biology, that this magnificent creature has willed herself to live based primarily on the hope of freedom and reconnection to her natural family. This mammal is not part of your family; she was forcibly removed from her natural habitat and she has her own family waiting for her. Your ignorant speech about Lolita being content in such a confining environment is frivolous. It appears your main concern is monetary profit. You have already amassed over one hundred million(100,000,000 ) dollars from her forced captivity. How much more do you want? We, the leading scientists in this field of study, concur that the abuse of solitary confinement to this mammal needs to cease. We don't believe any animal deserves to be confined for the rest of their life in such conditions. Mr. Hearst, with all due respect, you are a greedy man. My colleagues and I 100% support the Hollywood community who have spoken out on this issue.

  • Posted By: HowardGa @ 01/24/2008 1:50:44 PM

    This article makes many valuable points and offers a big step toward those goals, but some inaccuracies call for correction.
    The problem of Lolita's conditioning to human care and to a display tank for 37 years is often raised, based on the record for most species. The point that needs to be made for Lolita is that orcas are different. In Lolita's family, no offspring, male or female, ever strays from their mothers' side, a fact that is totally unprecedented among mammals and demands a revision of our assumptions about the prospects of retiring a long term captive. This permanent bonding is not due to instinct, but comes from cultural traditions learned from birth and maintained throughout life. Especially considering that orca brains are 4 to 5 times the size of human brains, there is no reason to think Lolita has forgotten who she is or where she came from. A recent study says: "The complex and stable vocal and behavioural cultures of sympatric groups of killer whales (Orcinus orca) appear to have no parallel outside humans..." From: Culture in whales and dolphins (2001).
    Any conditioning is minor compared to her memory and knowledge that she is an orca from the L25 subpod of the Southern Resident orca community. She still uses the distinct calls found only in the dialect of the L25's. L25 (Ocean Sun) is still alive, along with 14 family members were alive and present when Lolita was taken from them.
    The comment: "I see [her] experiencing total shock as she is dropped into the hostile world of nature," ignores the example of Keiko. When he was lowered into his net pen in Iceland, Keiko immediately slapped his flukes and swam the perimeter of his pen, dove for long periods, feeling and hearing his ocean home for the first time since his capture as a young calf over twenty years earlier. For an orca, their natural world is not hostile, but is by far the most hospitable and therapeutic habitat.
    Most perplexing is the comment that: "The possibility of her dying in the next 10 years, of old age, are pretty high. The stress of a transport may kill her." Female orcas at 1-year old live to an average of 50 years; a healthy 40-year old female orca can be expected to live decades longer. On the transport question, never in the 35-year history of hundreds of orca transports has one died.
    Lolita's presumed low level of toxins means she could bear a healthy calf before the end of her reproductive years at about age 45.
    The record answers all these concerns with good indications that she would survive and thrive in her native waters. Lolita's retirement plan is a science-based, multi-staged reintegration plan that focuses on rebuilding her metabolism, gaining contact with her family, and reintroducing her to hunting for food. It provides for a large sea pen or an open feeding and care station, so she could swim to her heart's content and enjoy her natural environment once again.

    • Posted By: AnnieCycle2 @ 01/25/2008 12:09:50 AM

      Whale science does not seem to take into account common sense...nor does it seem to look at this whale as anything other than an experiment.
      The odds are against this proposed move after 38 years. She would leave the warm Florida waters and be plunged into 40-degree Puget Sound waters. She will be taken from the only family she has had for 38 years???38 healthy years.
      There in Puget Sound frigid waters, scientists can observe how Lolita takes to the change???.and slowly watch her die.
      If the Orca whale is half as intelligent as claimed, she may well become depressed, despondent and on her way to an early death.
      Lolita should not die in vain. I will wager ten thousand dollars if she dies within a year of this move, payable to Harrison Medical Center, Pulmonary Department... Bremerton.

      The notion that she will be penned the rest of her life if the idea does not work seems barbaric
      Common sense should play some part here, not the romantic notion that she be moved back, set free and live happily ever after to the end of her natural life span Lolita is currently a healthy happy whale where she is???leave her along???please.
      Will the whale group put their money where their mouth is and back up their position with a wager for a good cause?
      Why should they?
      Because COPD is the 4th leading cause of death in the US and the 5th leading cause of death in the world.
      Because COPD lung patients struggle to breathe just as Lolita will struggle to live should she be moved to Puget Sound waters.
      Because Harrison Medical Center does not have a Pulmonary Department.
      Who better to help achieve a Pulmonary Department in an otherwise good hospital than Lolita, the Orca Whale?
      This offer expires at midnight, 14 February 2008






      intellehould be more obserbing of whalesthan guessing a whale will survive in the 40 degree Puget Sound water after 38 years in Florida. Science doesn't understand stress on a whale - or the whale watching boat industry would not have grown as it has, giving the Orcas still in Puget Sound...but you can use Lolita to experiment on by taking her out of the only home she has known for 38 years. Lolita is the only survivorNone of the other whales takenyou'll find out if your move her. Common sense indicates 'something' is right with

  • Posted By: Orcus @ 01/24/2008 10:11:54 PM

    A small correction first off, the bottom right photo should be credited to my self, Sean Jacob.

    I had once visited the Miami Seaquarium a few years ago ona faily regulare basis, providing Howard, et al with postings of my observations. I may only be a layman but she did seem well cared for and changes were made that I could see, at least in the public viewings for the better.

    Over the time I spent visiting the Seaquarium (late 2003 till mid 2005) Iw as able to watch Lolita and develop a small idea of her personality and over all being. To me she seemed like other have said "adjusted", but at the same time some days showed a lack of life about her when compaired as I see know to her "cousins" at Sea World. I'm not one to advocate her release but, at the same time feel that upgrades to the current facilty are warrented.

    Thank you,
    Sean Jacob

  • Posted By: Bydand @ 01/24/2008 3:02:44 AM

    People are stupid to think they are so important to even assume that Lolita should be placed back into the Pacific Ocean. The animal would not be able to adapt after all the years she has been in captivity. Please get something in your life to care about other than a killer whale. Maybe your family or your neighbors. People only care about things that they can control. Leave the whale alone

    • Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 01/24/2008 10:01:44 PM

      but we must prevent this from happening again.

  • Posted By: Rick_Shores @ 01/24/2008 8:06:33 AM

    I don't understand why this is such a big deal... I don't think that new animals should be caught from the wild, but for the last 38 years, this magnificent creature hasn't had to concern himself with anything at all. He's receiving top notch medical care, plenty of food, other life forms (not whales, I'll give you that!) who love him and have developed a relationship with him, and hasn't had to lift a fin, being treated effectively like whale royalty.

    In ruturn, he has had to 'perform' twice a day... with his performances being exhibitions of behaviors that whales exhibit in the wild for fun!

    If anything, I think he needs company, and the celebrities need to move on to anohter cause, as is their wont.

    • Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 01/24/2008 10:00:37 PM

      Sir, being captured, kept in a tiny tank, not being with your familiy--these are all huge stressors to wild animals. Just because they can't show it, they are probably more miserable than we know.

  • Posted By: quetzl @ 01/24/2008 8:59:00 AM

    News flash: It has just been reported that Andrew Hertz who had been on another search and grab expedition at Puget Sound has been seized and held in a 5' x 5' underwater cage by a group of orcas. The orcas claim he is receiving the best care that any humanoid could enjoy and that Hertz only has to perform two times a day by repeating 100 times...."That hurts." All marine life find his performance quite entertaining.

  • Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 01/24/2008 3:29:29 PM

    To all of the animal rights activists:

    Have you ever stepped on a spider?

    Have you ever swatted a fly?

    Have you ever eaten a plant of some sort?

    These are all living things too. How do we know for sure that spiders and cauliflower don't have feelings also?

    Humans DO have the right to capture animals, eat animals, and use animals for entertainment. It's part of life. As long as the animals are not abused, what's the big problem?

    • Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 01/24/2008 9:57:56 PM

      once you capture them, their stress begins. that IS ruining their lives.

  • Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 01/24/2008 9:56:47 PM

    Hertz says that Lolita is home. I beg to differ. She comes from expansive, unenclosed waters. She comes from a place where interaction with humans is a fluke rather than a daily occurrence. Who is he kidding? Poor Lolita is an abused child who is experiencing Stockholm syndrome: she bonds with her predators because it keeps her alive. If she were allowed to become re-acclimated to her native waters (if that's even possible now), it would be my hope that she could encounter Hertz on a swim. Without devices to scare and trick her, she would show her home turf advantage. Capturing these animals ruins their lives. While their lives in the wild may be brutal and short, at least they must not experience the stresses of living around humans and in confined spaces.

  • Posted By: Andrew Hertz @ 01/24/2008 8:33:37 PM

    Miami Seaquarium appreciates the opportunity Newsweek gave us last week to provide feedback for this story. I must say that I am disappointed that in our 40 minute conversation with the Reporter, most of the items discussed were not included in this article despite their importance and relevance to the issue. I am therefore taking this opportunity to clarify some salient points that were never addressed in the story.

    First and foremost, Lolita???s life will not be treated as an experiment. She has been a part of the Miami Seaquarium family for almost 4 decades and to suggest that she is a candidate for release is scientifically unfounded. It is well documented that Puget Sound is heavily contaminated with pollutants and to make any attempt to take her from a known situation where she is healthy and well cared for to one where every decision is based on so many unknowns would only be a misguided act of animal cruelty.

    Consider the sad story of Keiko. Due to serious health issues experienced when he was housed in Mexico, he was brought to Oregon where animal care experts and others of science worked very hard for three years to help him get healthy. Sadly, misguided activists overrode the best opinions of science and moved him to waters off Iceland, to ???be with his family.??? He was never accepted by other whales and was never able to be self-sufficient and eventually died alone in a sea pen in Norway. He died far, far away from the people who made the fatal decision to set him ???free???

    In our conversations with the Newsweek reporter, we provided contact information for experts who were intimately involved in the release of Keiko. These Project Managers worked directly on the project and could have provided an insightful and factual glance of what really happened in the unfortunate Keiko story. They were never contacted.

    The Keiko story was a tragedy that could and should have been avoided. The similarities between the Keiko release and what some people are asking us to do with Lolita are too great to ignore. To believe that the outcome of experimenting with the release of another killer whale would be different is na??ve at best. Miami Seaquarium is not willing to take this chance with Lolita???s life.

    Lolita will remain here at Miami Seaquarium surrounded by people who love and protect her. To do anything else would be unconscionable.

    Andrew Hertz
    General Manager
    Miami Seaquarium

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