Newsweek's Foreign Service Podcast: Second-in-Command—Why the VPs Matter

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Jordan Saville

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The 2016 U.S. presidential election has been the loudest and angriest in living memory, with two candidates who each have plenty of baggage and are both ready and willing to dial the rhetoric up to 11. Amid the noise, its been easy to miss Tim Kaine and Mike Pence.

But while neither man is as divisive or as eyecatching as their would-be bosses, both have deep convictions, complex politics, and are set to play substantial roles in American political life in the coming years, win or lose.

So what drives Kaine and Pence? What would they do for the next four years and beyond? And what really makes a great—or terrible—vice president? Josh Lowe and Mirren Gidda talk to Chad Wilcox and Margo Miller to find out.

Newsweek's Foreign Service is recorded and edited by Jordan Saville.