Texas State Senator Needles UT President About SEC Move: 'Rather Lose to Alabama Than TCU'

Texas state Senator Lois Kolkhorst needled the University of Texas at Austin (UT) president about moving to the Southeastern Conference (SEC) from the Big 12 Conference and said "Maybe your fanbase would rather lose to Alabama than TCU," referring to Texas Christian University, the Associated Press reported.

Kolkhorst's comments came during a committee hearing of state senators that heard testimony from leaders at Baylor, TCU and Texas Tech about the financial and academic implications of UT leaving the Big 12 Conference in July 2025. Kolkhorst taunted UT of Austin President Jay Hartzell by pointing out how his university had lost seven of the last 10 games played against her alma mater TCU.

"Up until the moment you hit send on the decision, you are always thinking, 'Is this the right thing for the University of Texas at Austin?'" Hartzell said at the hearing.

The University of Oklahoma is joining UT in leaving the 10-member Big 12 Conference for the SEC.

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A Texas state senator confronted the president of the University of Texas at Austin about moving to the Southeastern Conference and leaving the Big 12 Conference. In this photo, Texas Longhorns mascot Hook 'Em is seen of the field during the game against the TCU Horned Frogs at Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium on October 3, 2020 in Austin, Texas. Tim Warner/Getty Images

The Big 12 Conference could see the value of its television deal cut in half once Texas and Oklahoma bolt for the Southeastern Conference, Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby said Monday at a hearing of Texas lawmakers.

A committee of Texas senators heard testimony from university leaders at Baylor, TCU and Texas Tech on the monetary and academic losses that conference realignment would mean for the Big 12 and its members once Texas and Oklahoma leave for the SEC.

Hartzell testified the path to making the switch became clear "into the summer," and that UT told Bowlsby that in a call following news of the move. Hartzell said the school would "continue to honor all agreements."

Bowlsby has been highly critical of both Texas and Oklahoma, accusing them of plotting for months to leave the league for the powerful SEC. He also accused ESPN of working behind the scenes to gut the Big 12, even sending a cease-and-desist letter that the cable giant refuted, but backed off that stance Monday: "We have agreed to not escalate this publicly. It's in neither party's best interest to do so."

Hartzell was asked whether the school had included ESPN in its conversations about moving to the SEC and said: "Absolutely, categorically, no."

Hartzell said Texas initiated contact with the SEC, reaching out to the conference in the spring. He said the idea of joining other conferences such as the Big 10, Atlantic Coast Conference and Pac-12 was considered internally, but Texas never contacted those leagues.

Hartzell was also on the receiving end of some needling from lawmakers.

Hartzell said Texas' athletic budget was between $220-$225 million per year—one of the largest in the country.

Baylor athletic director Mack Rhoades, who said his school's athletic budget is 48 percent of Texas', was even harsher in his criticism of the Longhorns during testimony.

"Many of my colleagues around the country believe that the University of Texas created this situation because they think so highly of themselves," Rhoades said. "My humble opinion: I completely disagree. I think it's because they felt too little of themselves."

Texas lawmakers dug into the future of the Big 12 without the Sooners and Longhorns. Bowlsby said the TV contract value would take a 50 percent hit.

The Big 12 distributed $345 million to its 10 members this year ($34.5 million apiece), down from the previous year because of the pandemic. Most of that revenue comes from the Big 12′s TV deals, including ESPN. The SEC is positioned to distribute as much as $70 million annually to its members in coming years.

Bowlsby said he supported the idea of the remaining Big 12 teams sticking together and said they are exploring their options. He said he wouldn't blame any school for looking out for themselves first, but "there is a right way to do it."

Members of the Senate panel focused their questions on the economic impact to Texas cities such as Fort Worth, Waco and Lubbock, the homes of the Big 12 Texas schools being left behind. Baylor President Linda Livingstone told the committee that "the livelihood" of some Texas communities was at stake since the opponent mattered in ticket sales and attracting larger crowds.

Rhoades said the financial implications could put into question upcoming projects—including the building of a new basketball arena—and affect academic opportunities for students. Rhoades said the school, like others impacted, will also struggle to attract and keep talent on the field and in coaching staffs.

"The economic impact is real," Rhoades said less than four months after the men's basketball team won the NCAA championship. "If we are no longer a member of a Power Five, we will sell less tickets, we will sell less merchandise, we will raise less money and we will have less corporate sponsorship."

Texas A&M officials didn't accept invitations to testify at the hearing, according to state Senator Jane Nelson, who chaired the committee. Texas A&M left the Big 12 for the SEC in 2012.

Nelson told state representatives present at the hearing she was sorry the House chamber could not hear testimony on the subject due to a lack of quorum after over 50 Democratic Texas representatives left the state to block for a second time the passage of new state voting restrictions.

The Legislature's special session called by Republican Governor Greg Abbott ends this week, and he has vowed to call another session to ensure the passage of the voting bills.

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Although the University of Texas and the University of Oklahoma are leaving the Big 12 Conference in 2025, Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby said he supported the idea of the remaining eight teams staying together. In this October 10, 2020, file photo, The Red River Showdown logo is displayed on the field of the Cotton Bowl, prior to an NCAA college football game between the University of Texas and Oklahoma, in Dallas. Michael Ainsworth/AP Photo