White House Doubles Down on 'Widespread Voter Fraud' Claims: 'No Evidence That There's Not, Either'

White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows on Sunday rebuked data that "there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud," by simply flipping the burden of proof and replying "there's no evidence that there's not, either."

The Trump administration chief of staff discussed the five so-called all-mail voting states that have for years sent all eligible, registered voters in the state a ballot to fill out before returning. All registered voters in Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington can choose to return those ballots by mail or use a designated deposit site. And four additional states, among them California, are looking to expand mail-in voting to all of their registered voters due to the coronavirus pandemic.

CNN host Jake Tapper insisted at the end of the interview that massive amounts of data on past elections shows "there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud."

To which Meadows replied: "There's no evidence that there's not, either. That's the definition of fraud, Jake."

Meadows echoed the allegations of potential election "rigging" made by Trump, who personally votes through the mail alongside his wife and multiple Cabinet members. Meadows said Sunday that the nine total states who intend to use mail-in voting this November are opening themselves up to "widespread voter fraud" — something several nonpartisan studies and election experts say is simply not possible without detection.

"What I can tell you is, what I call 'no excuse absentee,' [a voter who says:] 'Listen, I'm concerned because of the pandemic. Will you send me an absentee ballot that comes directly to me? I certify that and I have a signature requirement that makes sure it's me who is actually voting and I send it back' — I don't have a problem with that, and the president doesn't have a problem with that."

Election experts and data analysts have repeatedly rejected the Trump claim that "mail-in votes are a disaster," as he told reporters last week. The president added he believes mailed voting "will be fixed, it will be rigged, people ought to get smart."

"That's just not true," said Richard Hasen, University of California, Irvine, professor of Election Law, to The Associated Press. "If you look at the five states which use all-mail balloting, including the heavily Republican state of Utah, their rates of fraud are quite low. Tampering with ballots on any kind of broad scale is really hard to do without detection. If somebody tries something, they're going to get caught. You have to forge a lot of people's signatures and people will know their ballots have not been voted."

In his televised CNN interview, Meadows said: "What we do have a problem with, because I don't want my or anyone else's vote to be disenfranchised, is to send millions of empty ballots — sometimes to empty mail boxes." Tapper interjected to clarify that all-mail voting currently occurs in nine states, and not across the entire country.

"What I'm saying the problem is, is that people are looking at is just sending out ballots — California is just sending out ballots," the Trump chief of staff added.

"Isn't it a concern to you Jake? Wouldn't it be a concern to you? Do you realize how inaccurate the voter rolls are from people just moving around, let alone the people that die off? But sending ballots off just based on a voter roll — any time you move, you change your driver's license. But you don't call up and say, 'By the way I'm re-registering," Meadows concluded.

Newsweek reached out to the White House and Trump campaign for any additional responses to Meadows' CNN appearance.

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White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows on Sunday rebuked data showing "there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud," by simply flipping the burden of proof, "there's no evidence there's not, either." Screenshot: CNN | State of the Union | YouTube